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Title: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2017 Dec 26, 21:22:03
were do changelings come to be?





let me know if i am thinking to deep
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Asriel on 2017 Dec 30, 12:55:02
Well, where do the three tribes come from? Why are they different, but the same species?

When that is answered, we can start thinking about the changelings.


Unless you are thinking they are simply cursed ponies.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2017 Dec 30, 16:58:57
maybe the first ponies ever to exist just poped into existence.

but thats just my theory.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2017 Dec 30, 17:35:37
but you saw what crysalis in to where and back again part 2

i don't want to think of wht would happen if starlight and others failed.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Ferro_the_King on 2017 Dec 30, 21:19:02
Quote from: Master Masher on 2017 Dec 30, 16:58:57maybe the first ponies ever to exist just poped into existence.

I think the true question is how the Equestria came to existence... Since ponies control the moon, stars and sun, there is no way it can exist as a solar system. Otherwise sudden changes of day and night (Shown in few episodes) would tear the world apart.

So it is either a dead planet floating in space, with the life is being sustained just by magic, or it doesn't even have a form of a planet.

The first case would have normal evolution, with ponies taking over with magic while either their sun died, or the planet was slingshotted from the solar system by some disaster. The presence of such powerfull magic sustaining whole world could also explain why there are so many sentient species.

The other case would suggest world created by some omnipotent being, with ponies being created in the process and later given the control of the world.

And there goes the thing with changelings:
In the first case they evolved together with ponies. Since they are few in numbers, it could be a hunter/prey relation from the beginning.
In the second case they were probably created along with ponies and other races by the being that created the Equestria.

There are some other possibilities, though:
Changelings are cursed ponies. (Not likely, because they would probably be healed in "Where and back again")
Changelings are side effect of excessive using of magic throughout the Equestria.
Changelings were created on purpose- Either as a weapon, revenge, or just some failed magic experiment.

(Yes, I am crazy... lol )
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2017 Dec 30, 22:49:46
Wait chrysalis said she has changeling "drones" is there a different types changelings?
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2017 Dec 30, 22:57:40
or is equestria an alternate dimension from ours where humans don't exsist and ponys are the replacement for them.

i think that because there are bears chickens and other animals that are in real life.

am i thinking too deep?
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Asriel on 2017 Dec 31, 09:07:28
Quote from: Ferro_the_King on 2017 Dec 30, 21:19:02There are some other possibilities, though:
Changelings are cursed ponies. (Not likely, because they would probably be healed in "Where and back again")
Changelings are side effect of excessive using of magic throughout the Equestria.
Changelings were created on purpose- Either as a weapon, revenge, or just some failed magic experiment.

I like how you think!

I see a fourth option, with the events of "To Where and Back Again."

Changelings could have been simply another species, then got either cursed or fell into evil/ruin. The transformation was implied to be the original true form of changelings.

I like to think that these old changelings had something of a symbiotic relationship with the original ponies, similar to a lot of fanfictions' depictions of the changeling "old ways," where they would take a pony's place when there was no way to save them (more common in the harsh climates of the time), and the pony didn't want their lover to suffer.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Ferro_the_King on 2017 Dec 31, 12:47:57
And as far as wiki goes (I don't own the 5th issue of FIENDship is magic, so I can't confirm that):

"It is also revealed that the original changelings were born from a carnivorous plant that grew from a rotten acorn that fell into a magic pond under a cemetery. They were inadvertently released by Star Swirl the Bearded, who nailed a warning sign to the plant to keep others away, only to create a crack from which the changelings emerged."
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: McClaw on 2017 Dec 31, 21:51:28
Quote from: Ferro_the_King on 2017 Dec 31, 12:47:57And as far as wiki goes (I don't own the 5th issue of FIENDship is magic, so I can't confirm that):

"It is also revealed that the original changelings were born from a carnivorous plant that grew from a rotten acorn that fell into a magic pond under a cemetery. They were inadvertently released by Star Swirl the Bearded, who nailed a warning sign to the plant to keep others away, only to create a crack from which the changelings emerged."
That's from the IDW comics, so it's not going to automatically be canon.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Asriel on 2018 Jan 01, 10:14:19
Yeah, while I usually like the comics, they aren't really canon, and...


I don't really like it, since it pretty much says that changelings as an entire race are born evil.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2018 Jan 01, 14:48:37
the answer i really want is what happens to ponys that get all of their love stolen?Do they become changelings themselves? i need to know.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Ferro_the_King on 2018 Jan 01, 22:58:13
If it is even possible to steal all of love from a pony, I think the result would be either mental breakdown (With results varying from turning evil or insane to practically lobotomizing the pony), or even death.

It's true I saw that version (turning pony into changeling) once or twice around the fan-made stuff, but that seems illogical to me. There are the reasons:
1) Changelings and ponies are different species. There is even part of their reproduction shown- it is clear drones hatch from eggs.
2) Anatomy- Every changeling has a horn and wings. No exception AFAIK. Result of turning pony into a drone would be rather having three different types of drones- And probably none of them would have horn and wings, except the queen herself.
3) Changelings probably don't feed only on ponies, but on other sentient species as well. The result would be even more types of changelings.
4) In the "Where and back again" were all changelings transformed into a new species. That should only apply to those already born as changelings. If there were turned ponies, they would probably turn back, or don't change at all...
5) A changeling needs love to survive. They would starve to death- And I think Chrysalis was actually trying to kill Thorax by sucking all the love out of him. So the result of turning a pony into a drone by stealing all of the love would have similar effect- the resulting drone would instantly die of lack of love...
6) If that was even possible, it would be probably mentioned either by Thorax, or somepony else who knows about changelings. One thing is, when they just act as parasites and steal the love under cover, but if they were actually killing ponies, or making them disappear, the fact would spread among ponies.
7) If this was actually a possibility, it would have been definitelly used during the first attack on Canterlot. Chrissaliss would have either turned Cadance into a drone right away, or if Alicorns were somehow immune, she would definitelly use it on Shining instead of just making him a puppet. The same applies on the second attack- Some of the most important ponies (Princesses, Mane 6, etc.) would be rather turned to drones, then just kidnapped...
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2018 Jan 02, 14:04:02
but chrysalis said that the ponies that they captured would last for generations.

does that mean one pony can last for a little bit or do they generate that much love.

i have been trying to wrap my head around this since i knew Changelings existed.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Ferro_the_King on 2018 Jan 03, 19:04:25
I'm not sure, where exactly she said it. But she probably meant, that the love, once drained from the ponies, could be somehow stored for later use.
Another explanation would be, that those "conteiners" they were kept in, were some kind of magical stasis. It would keep them in suspended animation, prolonging their life and having them ready for "later use".
The last one I can think of (but improbable due to the kid's character of the show), would be, that she actually wanted to create some form of farm to breed ponies and keep them in form of livestock. They would feed on their love then, but never to the point, where the pony would die. They would be given time to regenerate and produce new love...
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2018 Jan 14, 19:51:32
*thought pops into head* maybe the changelings are other alicorns and Luna :luna:  and Celestia :celestia: are the only survivors. As in the others did not make it.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 Mar 02, 11:34:40
Can I ask something? What were they doing to the Mane Six and the others when they were in the chrysalis? What would happpen if their love got sucked out? Or is there a spell that makes them continuously generate love, and the chrysalis is part of it?

(We should make a non-fiction book about changelings on FIMfiction or something :P )
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2018 Mar 09, 10:01:20
First things first do ponies even die? Are ponies immortal and can't die? Do ponies have unlimited love?We should answer these questions before we answer yours.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2018 Mar 09, 10:02:13
Sorry if that is too much. X3
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 Mar 14, 09:58:29
Quote from: Master Masher on 2018 Mar 09, 10:01:20First things first do ponies even die? Are ponies immortal and can't die? Do ponies have unlimited love?We should answer these questions before we answer yours.
"ONLY ALICORN PRINCESSES ARE IMMORTAL. I THINK THAT'S CERTIFIED."
by Nightlight/Cynthia/Whatever you want to call her.
I think ponies do have unlimited love though
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Cloudy Skies on 2018 Mar 17, 18:03:47
Wow as one of my first books as a unicorn who got her cutie mark when she wrote her first book, I should write the history of changelings.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 Mar 20, 14:57:27
Are changelings immortal?
I just thought that ^^
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Cloudy Skies on 2018 Mar 24, 12:01:53
Writing a book on the backstory of changelings: might help. 

Changelings: The prequel

Introduction:

Ever heard of My Little Pony? Well in My Little Pony they have this monsterous-like thing called a Changeling. They used to be evil, but in Season 7 they turned good. But the creators of My Little Pony don't really give the Changelings a backstory. So I decided to write this book about their backstory, and trying to make up a good one at it. This won't be the backstory of how the Changelings became good in Season 7, but pretty much how they were created. Here we go...

   The dawn of Equestria... ahh, such a peaceful time. Princess Celestia, the first being dawned upon the land created all of ponykind. Even her sister, Princess Luna. They created harmony among the land, that is, until they made an accident. The legend says that when Princess Celestia created pony, she rose the sun. In the sun the ponies played and danced and frolicked. While Princess Luna made the moon rise. There the ponies slept, and waited for the next sunrise. This made Princess Luna jealous and angry, and then Princess Luna turned evil, and arose Nightmare Moon.
    Well, Princess Celestia used the Elements of Harmony to banish Nightmare Moon to the moon for a thousand years. Well, a thousand years later a certain pony named Twilight Sparkle and her friends defeated Nightmare Moon and Princess Luna emerged, but it is said that not all of Nightmare Moon was defeated. When Nightmare Moon was banished forever to the Moon, she casted a certain spell to make sure Equestria would be challenged by beings. She created all of the evil that lurked beyond. The Changelings, for one.
    Some others like Discord, the Spirit of Chaos, and Tirek, the evil being that is kept in the Outlands guarded by Tartarus, the three headed dog. In the episodes, Equestria must fight these evil beings. But this... this is the backstory to how Changelings emerged... it is a long, tale. So please stay... and learn of the dawn of Changelings.

But first, we have to learn how Equestrians record time.
   BC: Stands for "Before Celestia" and Celestia was born (In our time) around 1018.  So do the math. 10 BC = 1008.
   BL: Stands for "Before Luna" and Luna was born (In our time) around 1030. So do the math. 10 BL = 1020.
   BPK: Stands for "Before Pony Kind" and ponykind was created when Princess Celestia became an adult, (In our time)  which was 1038. So do the math. 10 BPK = 1028.

   A triangle means "Change" so whenever you see a triangle, it means Change in Equestrian.
   Equestrian Holidays:
   Equestrians have their own holidays which are pretty much versions of ours.
Christmas: Hearthswarming
Christmas Eve: Hearthswarming Eve
July 4th: New Equestria Day
Valentine's Day: Hearts and Hooves Day
St. Patrick's Day: St. Pony's Day
Easter Day: Egg Day
Independence Day: (Crystal Ponies celebrate this only) King Sombra Independence Day
Halloween: Nightmare Night
Thanksgiving: Thanks Feast Day
Veteran's Day: Wonderbolts Appreciation Day

   Thats about all you need  to know. Happy reading!

Chapter 1: Rise Of Darkness

   "Where am I...?" Ursa the changeling asked to an empty forest.  This was the first ever Changeling, and she was just created. Soon, other Changelings popped into existence. They were the first Changelings ever, and Changelings in our present time worship them. "Uh, this is weird. You guys look like bugs." Ursa said to the other Changelings. "Well you do too, smarty-pants!" Sombik the Changeling replied. "Don't be rude..." Victor the Changeling muttered. "Well, I guess we're in a new world." Ursa said. "Wonder who created us." Victor replied. "Well, I'm really hungry..." Sombik piped up. "Well my belly is pointing us north!" Ursa said. "Follow the tummy!" Sombik yelled and they went north.
   Soon later, they arrived in a town full of ponies. "Uh, does our bellies want us to eat those things? Those are weird creatures. They don't look like bugs..." Sombik said, sounding annoyed and discouraged. "Let me try something!" Ursa replied. Ursa crept towards the ponies, sneaking up on a green and red one. Ursa opened her mouth, and suddenly the ponies' love, hope, courage, and honesty flew out into Ursa. "My belly is happy." Ursa said happily, rubbing her tummy. "Well lets feast!" Sombik evily said, laughing. They all searched for some ponies and fed on their love. "I love what we are... wait, what are we?" Ursa suddenly said. "Well, I guess we can name what we are once we find out what else we can do." Victor replied. "But I wanna name us now!" Sombik yelled. "I agree with Victor, we should find out what else we can do." Ursa said. "Pooey." Sombik replied, pouting. Suddenly Ursa transformed, she was a little taller because all of the love she ate. She grunted, trying to figure out what else she could do. She thought of a teacup.. suddenly, she turned into one! "Whoa! I'm a teacup!" Ursa happily said, hopping around. "Change..." Victor said, and got some paper to take notes. "ChangeLINGS! It's a great name!" This was the first time they were called Changelings. "I like it!" Ursa said. "It's... okay..." Sombik muttered. Ursa grunted again, trying to turn back into her normal form.
 









   
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 May 26, 12:55:40
I wonder if PONIES THEMSELVES had evolved from other beings. If that's the situation, then I wonder who... I think changelings were also once ponies but possibly ended up in a completely different place, which caused them to adapt and evolve into changelings? Changelings do have some more advantages than normal ponies anyway

Also said ponies that evolved into changelings could have been alicorns?? Because changelings have body parts such as wings AND a horn.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2018 Sep 23, 19:10:33
Well it seems changelings are bug-like so must have outside skeleton so thatexplains chrysalis being able to turn her neck 180 degrees in To Where and Back Again.
(That part creeped me out i don't about you but it did for me) i haven't found anything creepier than that even in real life. :I
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 Oct 08, 14:54:40
BUT imagine if Chrysalis was able to turn her head full 360 degrees...
Just thinking about that makes me creeped out
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: McClaw on 2018 Oct 11, 20:30:41
Quote from: Nightshade Star on 2018 Oct 08, 14:54:40BUT imagine if Chrysalis was able to turn her head 360 degrees...
Just thinking about that makes me creeped out
If she can look directly backward, she probably can turn her head 360° -- 180° to the left and then another 180° to the right. (That's how owls do it.)

Now if she had her head on an unlimited swivel so she never had to turn it back...  ovO
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 Oct 11, 21:32:58
Quote from: McClaw on 2018 Oct 11, 20:30:41If she can look directly backward, she probably can turn her head 360° -- 180° to the left and then another 180° to the right. (That's how owls do it.)

Now if she had her head on an unlimited swivel so she never had to turn it back...  ovO

Exactly what I was trying to say tho honestly
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: -Woona- on 2018 Oct 12, 07:02:29
It is revealed that the original changelings were born from a carnivorous plant that grew from a rotten acorn that fell into a magic pond under a cemetery. They were inadvertently released by Star Swirl the Bearded, who nailed a warning sign to the plant to keep others away, only to create a crack from which the changelings emerged. At the end , the changelings escape from imprisonment together with Chrysalis.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: McClaw on 2018 Oct 12, 15:50:52
Quote from: -Woona- on 2018 Oct 12, 07:02:29It is revealed that the original changelings were born from a carnivorous plant that grew from a rotten acorn that fell into a magic pond under a cemetery. They were inadvertently released by Star Swirl the Bearded, who nailed a warning sign to the plant to keep others away, only to create a crack from which the changelings emerged. At the end , the changelings escape from imprisonment together with Chrysalis.
All of which happened in the IDW comic. It's not canon until it appears in an episode.
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Nightshade Star on 2018 Oct 13, 13:13:29
Quote from: McClaw on 2018 Oct 12, 15:50:52All of which happened in the IDW comic. It's not canon until it appears in an episode.

True, but that would basically mean the changelings would be born like the black ones in season 2, and not like the supposedly original changelings in "To Where and Back Again." That would be kinda weird. Also I think they haven't shared love recently because they also needed a lot for themselves to survive (because I'm pretty sure they're starving). There could've been fights for love, like changelings trying to get their love from taking some other changeling's love.  I guess that's until they discovered ponies. But even if they shared someone else's love without permission they wouldn't have changed back because they kinda had to earn it to turn back? I think that form of love is the most replenishing.
Also what happened to Chrysalis?? Did she somehow find another hive or something??
Title: Re: Changelings
Post by: Master Masher on 2019 Jan 23, 16:00:16
shes back in season 8 in episode 13 the mean 6.