Legends of Equestria - Forum

I'm sorry if this has already popped up, and if it's in a bad category. Seemed like a reasonable place. But as many of you know, Fighting is Magic has received a cease and Desist. I'm kinda scared that this is going to get one as well. Hasbro's legal team has been going hay-wire over the past few months, and they simply cannot see that it's going to come back and bite them in the very, very near future if they don't stop.

What do you guys think's going to happen? Should Fighting is Magic have received the letter after the game was publicly released, it would be one thing, but even though the game was nearing it's completion from what I'd seen, it just didn't make it.. Legends of Equestria isn't a one-time-release then leave it to online distribution game. If they don't like what's happening, they can stop it, and unless there'll be an offline mode, It'll be the end. What do you guys think? I know that the staff is going to see it through for as long as they can but.. I'm scared.. I've been following this project for as long as I've been a fan of MLP, and this is one of the most terrifying things I've experienced in the fandom..

What do you think's going to happen? I hope this all rolls over.. And if this has already been covered I'll get rid of it.. If there's a better category, I'll have it moved over as well... Thanks. :c  D:

I'll sort of copy paste my post here.

I think LoE will be okay it contains no copyright infringement and even if they tried to get it because of area names if that's even possible, they can just rename everything and change things that are copyrighted if anything is, which I don't think it is aside from area names and the world name. And you can't claim Unicorn or Pegasus as they belong to mythology and Earth Ponies are just normal Ponies basically.

The team has also mentioned multiple times they have it handled if I recall so we probably don't have to worry about it.

As far as I've seen, Hasbro has mainly hit games that have characters from the show in them. After all, Hasbro has copyright over all characters in the show. That's pretty much the reason LoE won't have any of the show's characters and won't allow players to name their ponies after characters. The LoE team has taken other precautions as well. Admittedly, I'm surprised that Fighting is Magic was targeted, but at the same time, not completely surprised.

But anyway, LoE has taken more precautions not to get in trouble than quite a few other games. Namely, the fact that it doesn't include canon characters, unlike Fighting is Magic and MLP: Online. Plus, there's the fact that MLP: Online was outright My Little Pony Online.

Here's the thing LoE doesn't contain any characters from the actual show, and they are going to make sure that's going to stay, so basically Hasbro won't have a good reason to remove this project as far as I know so don't worry.

Ugh, I really hope you guys are right.  Then again, Mane6 was asked to relinquish any material with not only names, and characters, but locations, and I'm assuming, names of locations.. I doubt they could easily pass these as valid grounds, but It still worries me. They've been going overboard lately, and I don't doubt that they'd at least try.

Quote from: EnrisPony on 2013 Feb 08, 22:06:28
Ugh, I really hope you guys are right.  Then again, Mane6 was asked to relinquish any material with not only names, and characters, but locations, and I'm assuming, names of locations.. I doubt they could easily pass these as valid grounds, but It still worries me. They've been going overboard lately, and I don't doubt that they'd at least try.

As far as I know they hadn't copyrighted Ponyville, also they hadn't gone overboard this is totally in their right. Now do we like it? of course not! But they are on valid grounds, and besides... If another goes down I bet someone will start a petition to end these practices

A petition to save fighting is magic has already been started in another topic I'll post that topic's petition link here.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/526/847/063/allow-the-continuation-of-the-development-of-mane6s-mlp-fighting-is-magic/

If anything maybe it will send Hasbro a message.

Quote from: Weatherboy1 on 2013 Feb 08, 22:09:30

Quote from: EnrisPony on 2013 Feb 08, 22:06:28
Ugh, I really hope you guys are right.  Then again, Mane6 was asked to relinquish any material with not only names, and characters, but locations, and I'm assuming, names of locations.. I doubt they could easily pass these as valid grounds, but It still worries me. They've been going overboard lately, and I don't doubt that they'd at least try.

As far as I know they hadn't copyrighted Ponyville, also they hadn't gone overboard this is totally in their right. Now do we like it? of course not! But they are on valid grounds, and besides... If another goes down I bet someone will start a petition to end these practices

I think the issue with the names of places is trademark, rather than copyright, though I could be wrong. Trademark laws are different than copyright laws, so that can complicate things a bit. If location names becomes a problem, that can be easily remedied.

Of course, anyone who puts "My Little Pony" in their game's name or something is really in the danger zone. "My Little Pony" is definitely a trademark, and it's apparently not one that Hasbro is too entirely happy to share, when it comes to games. Hence MLP: Online.

Someone on the IRC posted this link which provides information on trademark and such they also talk a bit about fangames.
http://www.roundstable.com/2012/12/13/friendship-is-a-registered-trademark/

Hopefully people will stop saying how I'm wrong about Hasbro turning into dictators now.

P.S.: I signed the petition.

Like others have said, our wonderful MMORPG doesn't worry me, as the team has taken enough precaution. ^-^

Fighting Is Magic however... Man, what a slap to the face... :/

Here's another petition...

https://www.change.org/petitions/hasbro-inc-allow-the-game-fighting-is-magic-to-continue-development-by-mane-6#share

This one has a lot more steam http://www.thepetitionsite.com/526/847/063/allow-the-continuation-of-the-development-of-mane6s-mlp-fighting-is-magic/

Quote from: jimm on 2013 Feb 09, 00:12:27
This one has a lot more steam http://www.thepetitionsite.com/526/847/063/allow-the-continuation-of-the-development-of-mane6s-mlp-fighting-is-magic/

Signed that a while ago. I'm signing EVERYTHING! lol

[glow=red,2,300]SIGN ALL THE PETITIONS.[/glow] ovO

Quote from: R-Zack on 2013 Feb 09, 01:26:58
[glow=red,2,300]SIGN ALL THE PETITIONS.[/glow] ovO

Quote from: R-Zack on 2013 Feb 09, 01:26:58
[glow=red,2,300]SIGN ALL THE PETITIONS.[/glow] ovO

well if you say so o 3o

Signed.

I'll be sharing these petitions for what I have planned...

*does the Light Yagami evil smirk*

I signed the fighting is magic petition. What I think is happening is that Hasbro is seeing that a lot of the games they gave the go ahead become popular and now they want to make their own version so they can make money. After all they are only looking at the bottom line they are a business. I don't agree with this but they are in there right to do this, and that is unfortunate that all they think about is what can they do to make money.

I think copyright laws need to be reformed anyway. For one, current fair use exemption law needs to be respected and followed. There's so many fair use parodies and commentary and whatnot on youtube that gets taken down that shouldn't. Secondly, as long as you've edited or changed material to be something different from what the original was, I believe that the laws should change to count that as fair use. It shouldn't matter if it might take away from your profit. Competition should reign king, not corporate copyright. Piracy is one thing, making variant works, remixes, games, parodies, etc is another. Besides. These don't take away from their money anyway! I'm angry at Hasbro. I'm not going to buy any more merchandise from them anymore, and if they keep this up, I'm going to start a boycott until they stop. I don't care if I have to spam it all over the internet I WILL get a boycott going.

I don't think there's a reason to get mad at Hasbro, based on the stuff I've read if they don't defend trademarks I'm pretty sure it affects them in some way law wise. I don't think they lose the trademark or anything but I think the trademark changes it's status if it's not defended. I need to read some more information on it though.

Yeah, after reading that article about Trademarks, it seems Hasbro was required to defend their trademarks.

I think the line they draw before getting involved is when something starts looking "official" or begins taking focus away from the show. Trademarked characters like Twilight Sparkle are supposed to be exclusively tied to My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic. But because Fighting is Magic was getting popular and using Twilight Sparkle, I get the feeling some people would begin to associate the character to that game, instead of the show, which is not in the interest of Hasbro on a legal or financial level. The game also looks good enough that if I didn't know any better, I'd say it was an official game, and I doubt Hasbro wants us confusing fan works with things they've approved.

I'm just speculating, of course, and possess little to no legal knowledge outside what I just read.

I better stop using characters from the show in my game!  ovO Only OCs!

Everything is fine the way it is now.

The idiotic copyright laws are what need to be changed.

All of this makes me wonder, how does giving someone a content license work? Is/can it be used for explicit operation, or is too general? If complete general use, this would be very bad, because if they were allowed to continue development, they could spite hasbro by turn it into an M rated fighter with lots of blood and other features which would likely cause a lot of financial issues for hasbro. If it is, or can be, extremely limited, they could just give licenses to those projects hasbro deems not too far off of their intentions in terms of age rating and content, that are hugely popular to prevent any issues of having to defend their owned works.

However, in the case of licensing fan works, even in an extremely limited way that prevents any inappropriate content as deemed by hasbro from being licensed, this would still likely cause an uproar among a certain group of people *cough*over-protective parents*cough*.

It seems we're all between a rock and a hard place... Hasbro needs to uphold certain things to protect their works, want to keep a good relationship with us, and need to not cause more rage from concerned parents and others... And us trying to keep on generating fan content that shows our support of the works hasbro created, while trying to keep out of trouble in what appears to be largely a grey legal area...

For each 'right' choice hasbro can make, there is likely two 'wrongs'.

Quote from: CyanideInsanity on 2013 Feb 09, 18:45:04
All of this makes me wonder, how does giving someone a content license work? Is/can it be used for explicit operation, or is too general? If complete general use, this would be very bad, because if they were allowed to continue development, they could spite hasbro by turn it into an M rated fighter with lots of blood and other features which would likely cause a lot of financial issues for hasbro. If it is, or can be, extremely limited, they could just give licenses to those projects hasbro deems not too far off of their intentions in terms of age rating and content, that are hugely popular to prevent any issues of having to defend their owned works.

However, in the case of licensing fan works, even in an extremely limited way that prevents any inappropriate content as deemed by hasbro from being licensed, this would still likely cause an uproar among a certain group of people *cough*over-protective parents*cough*.

It seems we're all between a rock and a hard place... Hasbro needs to uphold certain things to protect their works, want to keep a good relationship with us, and need to not cause more rage from concerned parents and others... And us trying to keep on generating fan content that shows our support of the works hasbro created, while trying to keep out of trouble in what appears to be largely a grey legal area...

For each 'right' choice hasbro can make, there is likely two 'wrongs'.

It's much simpler than that with a simple, easy-to-understand solution.

LEAVE THE FANDOM ALONE.

That wouldn't work too well sadly as many parents don't know what a fangame or fanwork is so they assume it's made by Hasbro and rarely read small print that says not affiliated with Hasbro in any way. And who gets the complaints after that if it has content parents don't like Hasbro does.  :c

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 09, 19:25:41

Spoiler: show

Quote from: CyanideInsanity on 2013 Feb 09, 18:45:04
All of this makes me wonder, how does giving someone a content license work? Is/can it be used for explicit operation, or is too general? If complete general use, this would be very bad, because if they were allowed to continue development, they could spite hasbro by turn it into an M rated fighter with lots of blood and other features which would likely cause a lot of financial issues for hasbro. If it is, or can be, extremely limited, they could just give licenses to those projects hasbro deems not too far off of their intentions in terms of age rating and content, that are hugely popular to prevent any issues of having to defend their owned works.

However, in the case of licensing fan works, even in an extremely limited way that prevents any inappropriate content as deemed by hasbro from being licensed, this would still likely cause an uproar among a certain group of people *cough*over-protective parents*cough*.

It seems we're all between a rock and a hard place... Hasbro needs to uphold certain things to protect their works, want to keep a good relationship with us, and need to not cause more rage from concerned parents and others... And us trying to keep on generating fan content that shows our support of the works hasbro created, while trying to keep out of trouble in what appears to be largely a grey legal area...

For each 'right' choice hasbro can make, there is likely two 'wrongs'.

It's much simpler than that with a simple, easy-to-understand solution.

LEAVE THE FANDOM ALONE.

Actually its not that simple. What happens if a group of bronies decide to make a fan game? Nothing wrong there, but if they try to sell it? There's a problem. In the case of leaving the fandom alone, they could lose their property if people were to attempt to truly and purposely infringe and hasbro not do anything. Also with how uninformed a lot of people are today, there is always room for caution.

all im going to say is though you do not like the decision, but you have to respect their decision because they have the copyright / trademark
things are never as easy as just leaving something alone or shutting it down
there are many complex things that most people dont know about

Quote from: Gracie Sky on 2013 Feb 09, 18:20:08
Yeah, after reading that article about Trademarks, it seems Hasbro was required to defend their trademarks.

I think the line they draw before getting involved is when something starts looking "official" or begins taking focus away from the show. Trademarked characters like Twilight Sparkle are supposed to be exclusively tied to My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic. But because Fighting is Magic was getting popular and using Twilight Sparkle, I get the feeling some people would begin to associate the character to that game, instead of the show, which is not in the interest of Hasbro on a legal or financial level. The game also looks good enough that if I didn't know any better, I'd say it was an official game, and I doubt Hasbro wants us confusing fan works with things they've approved.

I'm just speculating, of course, and possess little to no legal knowledge outside what I just read.

I better stop using characters from the show in my game!  ovO Only OCs!

I don't think Hasbro would've made Fighting is Magic as good as Mane6 was, though. :P To be perfectly honest.

Im just going to throw up a comment, yes it is truly unfortunate about the current situation and I do hope that the fandom's efforts will affect this in a positive light , and in addition that nothing will go wrong to show us all in a bad light, if you know what I mean.
However at the end of the day we must remember that Hasbro is in fact a business and MLP is one of its brands, and company image and product protection factors in a lot, to this matter, and sadly there must be control points, It's my honest belief that although they encourage the fandom in certain lights aka, Conventions, Product promotion and Viewership. They still cant officially allow "Copys" of their Characters in something they cant fully control

But do not get me wrong, Support Mane6 and sign those petitions, If we make our voices heard in a Good light, im sure there could be some middle ground as long as we keep calm about the situation, we don't want to become a mob if that makes sense it would only cause more issues if we do so.
Keep calm pony on and Ryo Rant complete 

I would just like to say that I, and many of my teammates, aren't stressing this situation as much as you'd probably all think. We've been preparing for this for a long time, as you should be aware by now, and we are confident that any imminent C&D can be resolved successfully. It may require some changes to the site and some minor changes to the game, but I don't see us getting shut down.

As some have noted, the disaster and shock is over, time to salvage  -.-

Ha Ha.

No.



I'm not going to accept this. Sorry.

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 09, 23:10:34
Ha Ha.

No.

Spoiler: show

I still plan on making my YouTube video

I'm not going to accept this. Sorry.

Fitting profile picture man, but I'm with ya on this...

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/02/regarding-fighting-is-magic-takedown.html#more

Good News: I'm not doing my video anymore because people like to complain

Bad News: I don't understand this. I spent most of my time last night, during commercials of Toonami, trying to wrap my head around this.

But I just can't.

Why are you accepting this?

why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 10, 11:13:17
why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

...

Whatever.

I'll just do what I do best.

Disobey.

Law and Politics are two things that just go way over my head.
Because of this, I've had a question that has been floating around my head for a while now, and I apologize if it seems like a stupid question.

Why is it that games such as this can be taken down because of character rights, even though they will not make profit, while people can still make plushies, art, and other pony related merchandise of these Hasbro licensed characters to sell at conventions and online for their own monetary gain? Why does one seem to go over fine with Hasbro, while the other does not?

Here's an article that may shed some light on why this happened, and how Hasbro thinks.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/02/regarding-fighting-is-magic-takedown.html#more

I too dislike Hasbro's actions, but unfortunately, that's just how big business works.

Big business sucks.

Money isn't everything.

Quote from: Sea Foam on 2013 Feb 10, 22:08:17
Law and Politics are two things that just go way over my head.
Because of this, I've had a question that has been floating around my head for a while now, and I apologize if it seems like a stupid question.

Why is it that games such as this can be taken down because of character rights, even though they will not make profit, while people can still make plushies, art, and other pony related merchandise of these Hasbro licensed characters to sell at conventions and online for their own monetary gain? Why does one seem to go over fine with Hasbro, while the other does not?

This article kinda helped clear some things up:
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/02/regarding-fighting-is-magic-takedown.html

This part stood out for me, personally:

QuoteIt's a little known fact of IP law that every instance of fanwork, be it a picture of Twilight Sparkle hugging a book, or an abridged series, or a fanfic about Rainbow Dash losing her wings, is illegal. Indeed, the copyright notices and disclaimers that so many add to their fanworks in an effort to protect themselves can be used in a court of law as an admission of guilt. Fortunately, companies see no need to pursue fanworks for the most part, and are content to ignore the laws and pursue greater profits elsewhere.

(IP = Intellectual Property)

if you really want to study it http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp (http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp)
not the best explanation so work with me

well there is not much politics here so your good
with trademarks (of the characters) you have to define what your trademark is protecting from (in a category (toys, tv character, blah blah blah)
so say you have it under toys and accessories (made up category) your character is protect form others making it as anything toy wise but if the character is used in a different way, an example art you would be fine since the trademark does not include that

plus it is way easier (and cost effective) to go after a group / project rather than single indiviuals
because if they really wanted to try and stop everyone they would have to send seperate C&Ds to every single person making them which would be time consuming and difficult

I might not be 100% correct and there are other that might be better at explaining it because I havent really studied  or looked over it extensively

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 10, 11:13:17
why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

If Hasbro was going to shut down the project then could have done so months ago, before the Mane 6 team wasted hundreds of their own hours on what turned out to be a lost cause.

Waiting until they were near release before pulling a C&D out of their bungholes is just a slap in the face.

but they are not going to send C&Ds to every fan project that starts up your only going to send them to projects that would become real things
plus C&Ds take months to get from start to the target so like 4-6 months I think

It sucks to to see fighting magic to get C and D but I'm hoping they can work something out.

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 10, 22:29:14

Quote from: Sea Foam on 2013 Feb 10, 22:08:17
Law and Politics are two things that just go way over my head.
Because of this, I've had a question that has been floating around my head for a while now, and I apologize if it seems like a stupid question.

Why is it that games such as this can be taken down because of character rights, even though they will not make profit, while people can still make plushies, art, and other pony related merchandise of these Hasbro licensed characters to sell at conventions and online for their own monetary gain? Why does one seem to go over fine with Hasbro, while the other does not?

This article kinda helped clear some things up:
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/02/regarding-fighting-is-magic-takedown.html

This part stood out for me, personally:

QuoteIt's a little known fact of IP law that every instance of fanwork, be it a picture of Twilight Sparkle hugging a book, or an abridged series, or a fanfic about Rainbow Dash losing her wings, is illegal. Indeed, the copyright notices and disclaimers that so many add to their fanworks in an effort to protect themselves can be used in a court of law as an admission of guilt. Fortunately, companies see no need to pursue fanworks for the most part, and are content to ignore the laws and pursue greater profits elsewhere.

(IP = Intellectual Property)

Then add "fangames" to the "list" of things to "ignore"

Quote from: Midnight Breeze on 2013 Feb 10, 22:39:55

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 10, 11:13:17
why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

If Hasbro was going to shut down the project then could have done so months ago, before the Mane 6 team wasted hundreds of their own hours on what turned out to be a lost cause.

Waiting until they were near release before pulling a C&D out of their bungholes is just a slap in the face.

Probably took action because of EVO entry, which gave it increased publicity  :c

The ironic thing is that the leaked version is the only version that we're going to see from Fighting is Magic.

Quote from: Night Pony on 2013 Feb 11, 14:25:56
The ironic thing is that the leaked version is the only version that we're going to see from Fighting is Magic.

Which is why signing the petitions and sharing them with as many people as you can is imperative.

If it was me I'd finish the game for "personal use", leak it, then say that a brony friend came home to play with me and then leaked the game when I wasn't looking. :ajshifty:

Happy bronies, happy Mane6, problem solved. :]

Quote from: Book Smarts on 2013 Feb 11, 14:14:45

Quote from: Midnight Breeze on 2013 Feb 10, 22:39:55

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 10, 11:13:17
why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

If Hasbro was going to shut down the project then could have done so months ago, before the Mane 6 team wasted hundreds of their own hours on what turned out to be a lost cause.

Waiting until they were near release before pulling a C&D out of their bungholes is just a slap in the face.

Probably took action because of EVO entry, which gave it increased publicity  :c

Which, if you read in the EQD post, Mane6 weren't even asked if they wanted to entered. They were just thrown in there. Oh, and hi, I'm new to these forums... Sorta... >.>

Quote from: Seriack on 2013 Feb 12, 00:35:26

Quote from: Book Smarts on 2013 Feb 11, 14:14:45

Quote from: Midnight Breeze on 2013 Feb 10, 22:39:55

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 10, 11:13:17
why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

If Hasbro was going to shut down the project then could have done so months ago, before the Mane 6 team wasted hundreds of their own hours on what turned out to be a lost cause.

Waiting until they were near release before pulling a C&D out of their bungholes is just a slap in the face.

Probably took action because of EVO entry, which gave it increased publicity  :c

Which, if you read in the EQD post, Mane6 weren't even asked if they wanted to entered. They were just thrown in there. Oh, and hi, I'm new to these forums... Sorta... >.>

Didn't know that. Also, welcome!
Adding someone to an invite list without asking them is bad. It can cause all sorts of problems.

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 00:48:41

Quote from: Seriack on 2013 Feb 12, 00:35:26

Quote from: Book Smarts on 2013 Feb 11, 14:14:45

Quote from: Midnight Breeze on 2013 Feb 10, 22:39:55

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 10, 11:13:17
why are people accepting this?

because Hasbro has full rights to do so, though many not like the decision
Hasbro is protecting their IP (Intellectual property)

If Hasbro was going to shut down the project then could have done so months ago, before the Mane 6 team wasted hundreds of their own hours on what turned out to be a lost cause.

Waiting until they were near release before pulling a C&D out of their bungholes is just a slap in the face.

Probably took action because of EVO entry, which gave it increased publicity  :c

Which, if you read in the EQD post, Mane6 weren't even asked if they wanted to entered. They were just thrown in there. Oh, and hi, I'm new to these forums... Sorta... >.>

Didn't know that. Also, welcome!
Adding someone to an invite list without asking them is bad. It can cause all sorts of problems.

Which makes me wonder... Would Fighting is Magic still be around if EVO hadn't invited them? Maybe, maybe not.... I just hope this project can be picked up in the future... Would b ecool.

Really didn't seem that bad, especially since Fighting is Magic actually got people to donate money for a special cause  >.<

what needs to happen is around 100,000,000 people go, vote, send letters and emails and calls to every congress member, and threaten to vote them all out and put in somepony else if the stupid, outdated, myopic copyright laws don't get thrown out or changed.

this is why we need more bronies in politics.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 12, 15:23:48
what needs to happen is around 100,000,000 people go, vote, send letters and emails and calls to every congress member, and threaten to vote them all out and put in somepony else if the stupid, outdated, myopic copyright laws don't get thrown out or changed.

this is why we need more bronies in politics.

Would you like to be one of them? I pretty much hate politics, and pay little to no attention to them. :P

I'm an engineering major, I'll do the part of fixing stuff that's broken physically, but I've never been good at going through pages of legal jargon and making a million compromises, much as I like being a GM.

The only thing I'm good at is signing petitions, putting petitions in my signature so people see them and hopefully sign them...

And...



:]

row row, fight teh powah!

with the C&D it takes months to get form start to finish
so it was planned before the EVO

and even if there are petitions and what not Hasbro still has all the legal factors in their favor
petitions can raise awareness and can bring change but really I dont see these ones going anywhere
you have to look at it form Hasbro's prospective (leaving it alone vs shutting down the project) really if the project can bring Hasbro more money or not

and with the C&D the game didnt really have to be shut down, but they would have to of changed all the characters (and move sets) if they would have their own custom OC's and moves then the game could continue since no trademarks would be violated
but with the amount of work put into the characters already I can see why it was shut down

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 18:39:14
with the C&D it takes months to get form start to finish
so it was planned before the EVO

and even if there are petitions and what not Hasbro still has all the legal factors in their favor
petitions can raise awareness and can bring change but really I dont see these ones going anywhere
you have to look at it form Hasbro's prospective (leaving it alone vs shutting down the project) really if the project can bring Hasbro more money or not

and with the C&D the game didnt really have to be shut down, but they would have to of changed all the characters (and move sets) if they would have their own custom OC's and moves then the game could continue since no trademarks would be violated
but with the amount of work put into the characters already I can see why it was shut down

If they could just make adjustments to the models, I wonder if it would work. And Lauren Faust even offered them custom OCs for it.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens, I guess. I really, really hope they can get it back up and running somehow. Show characters or OCs, I don't care anymore, I just want that boss game.

I mean they could still have other trademarked things (move names)
Im not 100% on character models (like how much would need to be changed)
in C&D they give you a list of things to change
so hypothetically they would have to take down the site, change everything in the list, then they could continue like normal
but with the amount of characters done it would take most likely over a year to get back to where they are now

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 18:41:49

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 18:39:14

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with the C&D it takes months to get form start to finish
so it was planned before the EVO

and even if there are petitions and what not Hasbro still has all the legal factors in their favor
petitions can raise awareness and can bring change but really I dont see these ones going anywhere
you have to look at it form Hasbro's prospective (leaving it alone vs shutting down the project) really if the project can bring Hasbro more money or not

and with the C&D the game didnt really have to be shut down, but they would have to of changed all the characters (and move sets) if they would have their own custom OC's and moves then the game could continue since no trademarks would be violated
but with the amount of work put into the characters already I can see why it was shut down

If they could just make adjustments to the models, I wonder if it would work. And Lauren Faust even offered them custom OCs for it.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens, I guess. I really, really hope they can get it back up and running somehow. Show characters or OCs, I don't care anymore, I just want that boss game.

Yeah I'd play it regardless of it being the mane 6 or OC's as well as long as they kept the characters Ponies if they ever use OC's and continue it since the game was originally designed as a pony fighting game. It was such an awesome game watching all the videos they made of it.  :c

I think I got a solution that doesn't require a lot of time, regarding the characters.

You all know what Game & Watch is right? They could just make new skins to make the characters look like they're shadows or something like that. Removing the current skins of course.

Then rename the characters and locations, modify the maps if required and that's it.

Would that solve the problems? I think so...

Quote from: Julius on 2013 Feb 12, 19:13:57
I think I got a solution that doesn't require a lot of time, regarding the characters.

You all know what Game & Watch is right? They could just make new skins to make the characters look like they're shadows or something like that. Removing the current skins of course.

Then rename the characters and locations, modify the maps if required and that's it.

Would that solve the problems? I think so...

So... Shadows of ponies fighting each other? That wouldn't be as fun or look as good. :c

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:18:49

Quote from: Julius on 2013 Feb 12, 19:13:57
I think I got a solution that doesn't require a lot of time, regarding the characters.

You all know what Game & Watch is right? They could just make new skins to make the characters look like they're shadows or something like that. Removing the current skins of course.

Then rename the characters and locations, modify the maps if required and that's it.

Would that solve the problems? I think so...

So... Shadows of ponies fighting each other? That wouldn't be as fun or look as good. :c

It's better than nothing right? :c

but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

this is why we should just vote out all the congressmen, throw out the president and rewrite the constitution; we have the numbers, we just need to act as one, and work together.  If we make life a living tartarus for Hasbro unless they retract their C&D, they'll retract the C&D.

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 12, 19:42:13
this is why we should just vote out all the congressmen, throw out the president and rewrite the constitution; we have the numbers, we just need to act as one, and work together.  If we make life a living tartarus for Hasbro unless they retract their C&D, they'll retract the C&D.

this is not a political matter in the least, an overhaul of government would do nothing
and again Hasbro has every right to do what they did (I mean if I was in their position I would do the same thing they did)

Just to throw this out technically gender benders count as a parody in which parodies are covered i the copyright law

its not a copyright issue, it is trademark
they are very different

Copyrights and Trademark laws are so crazy...

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:44:11

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Original Characters. Better than nothing right?

Hmmm... besides characters, um


How about locations? :s

Quote from: Jenzy on 2013 Feb 13, 01:13:18
Copyrights and Trademark laws are so crazy...

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:44:11

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Original Characters. Better than nothing right?

Hmmm... besides characters, um


How about locations? :s

Hmmmm... Bakery, Clouds, Cottage, Library, Clothing Shop, and Farm. x3

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 13, 01:16:35

Quote from: Jenzy on 2013 Feb 13, 01:13:18
Copyrights and Trademark laws are so crazy...

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:44:11

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Original Characters. Better than nothing right?

Hmmm... besides characters, um


How about locations? :s

Hmmmm... Bakery, Clouds, Cottage, Library, Clothing Shop, and Farm. x3

GENIUS CHISHIO STRIKES AGAIN! :D

Now we only need to figure out the characters...

I don't know about you, but the four I got to play with were magnificent, and I already knew my way around Applejack very well... Let me tell you, it was FUN to play the game. Not to mention that Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy looked so smooth to play... :]

I feel like getting rid of the movesets in order to fit the new possible original characters would be a terrible shame... That's why I didn't suggest new characters. If, however, they were to keep the movesets then I wouldn't mind original characters. ^-^

And then there's the title of the game, but that's bloody simple.

My Little Pony: Fighting Is Magic.

Problem solved. :P

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 13, 01:16:35

Quote from: Jenzy on 2013 Feb 13, 01:13:18
Copyrights and Trademark laws are so crazy...

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:44:11

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Original Characters. Better than nothing right?

Hmmm... besides characters, um


How about locations? :s

Hmmmm... Bakery, Clouds, Cottage, Library, Clothing Shop, and Farm. x3

Heh... Yeah.

I was actually wondering about the location's NAMES.

ie: Canterlot, Ponyville, Equestria, Vanhoover, Everfree, Manehattan, etc.


I hope those names aren't trademarked or copyrighted, some being mere puns of other IRL locations. And I'm unsure if LoE will use those names at all besides "Equestria" in the name. (Equestrian is an actual word. Should not be copyrighted) x3

I might be just a slight bit paranoid. But as long as OCs, it's all good.

Quote from: Julius on 2013 Feb 13, 01:25:53

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Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 13, 01:16:35

Quote from: Jenzy on 2013 Feb 13, 01:13:18
Copyrights and Trademark laws are so crazy...

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:44:11

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Original Characters. Better than nothing right?

Hmmm... besides characters, um


How about locations?

Hmmmm... Bakery, Clouds, Cottage, Library, Clothing Shop, and Farm.

GENIUS CHISHIO STRIKES AGAIN! :D

Now we only need to figure out the characters...

I don't know about you, but the four I got to play with were magnificent, and I already knew my way around Applejack very well... Let me tell you, it was FUN to play the game. Not to mention that Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy looked so smooth to play... :]

I feel like getting rid of the movesets in order to fit the new possible original characters would be a terrible shame... That's why I didn't suggest new characters. If, however, they were to keep the movesets then I wouldn't mind original characters. ^-^

And then there's the title of the game, but that's bloody simple.

My Little Pony: Fighting Is Magic.

Problem solved. :P

They could create the OCs based around the move sets. :]

Hopefully! :)

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Quote from: Julius on 2013 Feb 13, 01:25:53

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Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 13, 01:16:35

Quote from: Jenzy on 2013 Feb 13, 01:13:18
Copyrights and Trademark laws are so crazy...

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 12, 19:44:11

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 12, 19:22:05
but even with the shadows the character design would still the same (and trademarked)
they would need new characters to avoid any problems

Exactly. So OCs would work a lot better than mere shadows of the mane 6.

Original Characters. Better than nothing right?

Hmmm... besides characters, um


How about locations?

Hmmmm... Bakery, Clouds, Cottage, Library, Clothing Shop, and Farm.

GENIUS CHISHIO STRIKES AGAIN! :D

Now we only need to figure out the characters...

I don't know about you, but the four I got to play with were magnificent, and I already knew my way around Applejack very well... Let me tell you, it was FUN to play the game. Not to mention that Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy looked so smooth to play... :]

I feel like getting rid of the movesets in order to fit the new possible original characters would be a terrible shame... That's why I didn't suggest new characters. If, however, they were to keep the movesets then I wouldn't mind original characters. ^-^

And then there's the title of the game, but that's bloody simple.

My Little Pony: Fighting Is Magic.

Problem solved. :P

They could create the OCs based around the move sets. :]

Or allow us to customize our own OC and choosing the move set  O:

I don't know Book... I think that the FM2K engine wouldn't allow custom characters... I could be wrong though! ^-^

Well, I guess replace the mane and tail and colors and it's original. Voila! :P

Unsure if it's really that easy though... :\

I wonder if the art style is "copyrighted" or "trademarked".  is that even possible?

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 12:52:59
I wonder if the art style is "copyrighted" or "trademarked".  is that even possible?

Even so it's Lauren's artwork and design.

well, remember that thing that LoE was before it was LoE, and why it happened?  Imagine that on a corporate/legal/international level...

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 13:13:20
well, remember that thing that LoE was before it was LoE, and why it happened?  Imagine that on a corporate/legal/international level...

Do you have a point with this statement? Yes I remember it and yes I know why.

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 13:13:20
well, remember that thing that LoE was before it was LoE, and why it happened?  Imagine that on a corporate/legal/international level...

Do you have a point with this statement? Yes I remember it and yes I know why.

my point being,

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 12:52:59
I wonder if the art style is "copyrighted" or "trademarked".  is that even possible?

Even so it's Lauren's artwork and design.

may not be a deterrence to Hasbro attempting to take credit and rights for Lauren's artwork and design, since she was working under contract for the company when she did the art, the rights for which may have been ceded in the fine print to the company

Hello there! Good morn- Afternoon! X3

I woke up to an email from Hasbro as a response to my worried email in regards to FiM. :ajshifty:

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Subject: Fighting Is Magic

Discussion Thread
Response Via Email (Jacki)   02/13/2013 12:06 PM

Hi Julius,

While Hasbro appreciates the enthusiasm and support of its many MY LITTLE PONY fans, it must protect its intellectual property rights, and cannot permit the use of the pony character images and names based on the MY LITTLE PONY® line of toy ponies and the FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC® animated television series. As enthusiasts of the MY LITTLE PONY brand and My Little Pony Friendship is Magic series, we trust that fans will respect Hasbro's desire to protect the integrity of the show, as well as its intellectual property rights.

Warm regards,

Jacki

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So... As we had already found solutions for, it's only the names and characters. Now, we need a way to get this thread to the Mane6's eyes. :P

Good thing that Lauren offered to make new characters for them (And possibly locations, if the current locations need to be changed for some reason). She's such a sweetheart... <3

It's basically solved! Now my only worries are the team's morale and the movesets... I really hope they keep them!... But other than that... Our beloved pony fighting game still has hope guys! :)

Quote from: Julius on 2013 Feb 13, 14:06:35
Hello there! Good morn- Afternoon! X3

I woke up to an email from Hasbro as a response to my worried email in regards to FiM. :ajshifty:

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Subject: Fighting Is Magic

Discussion Thread
Response Via Email (Jacki)   02/13/2013 12:06 PM

Hi Julius,

While Hasbro appreciates the enthusiasm and support of its many MY LITTLE PONY fans, it must protect its intellectual property rights, and cannot permit the use of the pony character images and names based on the MY LITTLE PONY® line of toy ponies and the FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC® animated television series. As enthusiasts of the MY LITTLE PONY brand and My Little Pony Friendship is Magic series, we trust that fans will respect Hasbro's desire to protect the integrity of the show, as well as its intellectual property rights.

Warm regards,

Jacki

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So... As we had already found solutions for, it's only the names and characters. Now, we need a way to get this thread to the Mane6's eyes. :P

Good thing that Lauren offered to make new characters for them (And possibly locations, if the current locations need to be changed for some reason). She's such a sweetheart... <3

It's basically solved! Now my only worries are the team's morale and the movesets... I really hope they keep them!... But other than that... Our beloved pony fighting game still has hope guys! :)

forward that there email to their email :P  it'll be an encouragement, at least.

What's their email? Their site only has a link to their Twitter right now... :I

there's an option on their page to get email updates, not sure if that's their email.  You might try sending a message to their youtube acc?

I've seen their game do color pallet swaps before, so if that was being discussed above, that's been done to an extent.  Not sure if it helps to do color swaps and name changes.

Nah, a color swap won't do.

As for the email updates, no, that's not it. That's an automated service that emails you whenever there's a new post on the site.

And they don't check their YouTube account it seems (It says so on their YouTube account)... :s

Try twitter.

I'll link them to this thread. :P

Edit: Done. Now we wait.

link them specifically to your post?

I'd suggest using the six ponies that Faust originally drew before Hasbro recruited her, but...

See, 5 of those 6 were changed to the ponies they are now because they were 1st gen ponies that Hasbro no longer has rights over. Who was the one they still have rights over? Applejack. If there was a way to work around Applejack, they could change the colors and names of the models and make a couple of adjustments. Then, they would have:
Firefly
Surprise
Twilight (not Twilight Sparkle. The pink one from gen 1)
Posey
Sparkler
Using Lauren Faust's original designs of them, as seen here:


Another method would indeed be to just make OCs based around the movesets and somewhat "inspired by" the mane six. Of course, they'd need different cutie marks than the mane six.

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 13, 15:54:25

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I'd suggest using the six ponies that Faust originally drew before Hasbro recruited her, but...

See, 5 of those 6 were changed to the ponies they are now because they were 1st gen ponies that Hasbro no longer has rights over. Who was the one they still have rights over? Applejack. If there was a way to work around Applejack, they could change the colors and names of the models and make a couple of adjustments. Then, they would have:
Firefly
Surprise
Twilight (not Twilight Sparkle. The pink one from gen 1)
Posey
Sparkler
Using Lauren Faust's original designs of them, as seen here:

Spoiler: Very large image • show

Another method would indeed be to just make OCs based around the movesets and somewhat "inspired by" the mane six. Of course, they'd need different cutie marks than the mane six.[/spoiler]

They could make Applejack temporarily un-selectable then change to the Ponies that are no longer copyrighted by Hasbro as long as there's no TM breaking issues in it, then slowly remake Applejack into a new OC or a different Pony that is no longer copyrighted as well. Though I would miss AJ it's better than not getting the game at all.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 14:50:01
link them specifically to your post?

Of course I did. :P

Pinkie Pie = Cake Delight?
Rainbow Dash = Spectrum Flash?
Twilight Sparkle = Sunset Twinkle?
Applejack = Cider Jack?
Rarity = Scarce Gem? Unique Mystique?
Fluttershy = Butterfly Grace?

I hope you guys know they already know what they were violating when they received the C&D
each C&D has to have what is violating so then the changes can be made
I mean I didnt see the C&D so there might be more than just the characters (though that is by far the biggest one)
Im sure they are looking at all of there options
either way they would need to take down their site and such until the changes are made

how long do copyrights last?  maybe next time somepony just goes and plops down enough money to buy the copyright/trademark faster than Hasbro can.  I might convince a friend to get his venture capitalist father to purchase it.  I wonder how much it costs to purchase rights like that.

Copyright and TM's can last a very long time some last 80 years.

Long time.....

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html (http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html)

the cost is not bad though a regular copyright is about 30-50 dollars though I dont know when it comes to bigger things (might be more)

maybe my dad can convince his lawyer friends to sue the company, or one of my uncles to get majority shares.

Anyway I think remaking the G4 ponies to look like the earlier versions is the best idea since they already have the colours in place for the different fighters and they can keep the move set.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 17:20:27
maybe my dad can convince his lawyer friends to sue the company, or one of my uncles to get majority shares.

I dont see how that would really accomplish anything, it would be more trouble for what it is worth

Quote from: Night Pony on 2013 Feb 13, 17:21:59
Anyway I think remaking the G4 ponies to look like the earlier versions is the best idea since they already have the colours in place for the different fighters and they can keep the move set.

Depends on whether Hasbro might have those or if Faust would have them im thinking
im not really sure how that would work

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 13, 17:27:10

Quote from: Night Pony on 2013 Feb 13, 17:21:59
Anyway I think remaking the G4 ponies to look like the earlier versions is the best idea since they already have the colours in place for the different fighters and they can keep the move set.

Depends on whether Hasbro might have those or if Faust would have them im thinking
im not really sure how that would work

The first characters aren't property of Hasbro and hence it could work if the other owner doesn't send C&D but since we do not see them I doubt they will much care.

"Trademark" is just another word for "screwing the fandom"

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 13, 18:10:48
"Trademark" is just another word for "screwing the fandom"

Not really. To shown an example, let's look at nintendo. Their company's symbol is the company name inside whatever you'd call that shape... Now another company named *win*tendo starts making things. There's quite a lot of clueless people out there who could potentially purchase a 'win'tendo product mistaking it for a nintendo product. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Quote from: Night Pony on 2013 Feb 13, 17:30:03

Quote from: McSleuthburger on 2013 Feb 13, 17:27:10

Quote from: Night Pony on 2013 Feb 13, 17:21:59
Anyway I think remaking the G4 ponies to look like the earlier versions is the best idea since they already have the colours in place for the different fighters and they can keep the move set.

Depends on whether Hasbro might have those or if Faust would have them im thinking
im not really sure how that would work

The first characters aren't property of Hasbro and hence it could work if the other owner doesn't send C&D but since we do not see them I doubt they will much care.

^^^ Like I said, Faust's designs of the 1st gen ponies that Hasbro doesn't have rights over anymore. The only problem would be Applejack. She's the only 1st gen pony Faust drew who Hasbro still has rights for.

I still kinda like the idea of OCs "inspired by" the mane six with different names, who're kinda sorta "knockoffs". ovO

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 13, 16:33:19
Pinkie Pie = Cake Delight?
Rainbow Dash = Spectrum Flash?
Twilight Sparkle = Sunset Twinkle?
Applejack = Cider Jack?
Rarity = Scarce Gem? Unique Mystique?
Fluttershy = Butterfly Grace?

Wonder if Lauren would draw straight up OC ponies for the game, that way the move sets could remain, like lots of you said you wanted. I mean, it can't be too hard to draw a few new ponies, 2 of each race and all. And enough names have thrown around.

Makes me wonder why all the random pony games on the App Store ((like the one with a picture of Babs Seed)) haven't been C&D'd yet... And they're selling those, sure for only 0.99$, but that's still a dollar more than Fighting is Magic.

Quote from: Seriack on 2013 Feb 14, 10:52:27
Wonder if Lauren would draw straight up OC ponies for the game, that way the move sets could remain, like lots of you said you wanted. I mean, it can't be too hard to draw a few new ponies, 2 of each race and all. And enough names have thrown around.

Makes me wonder why all the random pony games on the App Store ((like the one with a picture of Babs Seed)) haven't been C&D'd yet... And they're selling those, sure for only 0.99$, but that's still a dollar more than Fighting is Magic.

because life's not fair and Hasbro hates its own fans.

I've done some research on all of this and I have to say, I'm ok with Hasbro doing this. Mind you I hate it, but it does have its good marks. Since there at plans floating around for them to use OCs the game still has a faint heartbeat so if no one kicks it, it may recover. As far as the good done by Hasbro (though small), it defends the franchise being associated with possibly worse things. I'd hate for some loon to say, "Fighting is magic got through, so mortal combat with ponies is ok too." or something to that effect. Basically it keeps the franchise, and sorta by extension us, from becoming open to much worse associations. Fighting is Magic is nice, clean, cartoony violence, but Hasbro wants to nip it in the bud and make sure the franchise doesn't become popular for the wrong reasons.

This is entirely my opinion and my take on the matter. I'm still upset that Hasbro did what they did (they could have played nice and said "Don't use our ponies, please.") but it does have reasonable points to it. And the fact that Faust came up with ideas to help makes e feel that this game is still possible, so lets just do as we do, and just love and tolerate the *yay* out of Hasbro.

Quote from: rhyme writer on 2013 Feb 14, 17:03:14
love and tolerate the *yay* out of Hasbro.

I'll tolerate alright. I'm out of love for Hasbro... :/

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Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 13, 18:10:48
"Trademark" is just another word for "screwing the fandom"

Not really. To shown an example, let's look at nintendo. Their company's symbol

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is the company name inside whatever you'd call that shape... Now another company named *win*tendo starts making things. There's quite a lot of clueless people out there who could potentially purchase a 'win'tendo product mistaking it for a nintendo product. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Mane 6 =/= Hasbro.

That's obvious.

Nope. Still no problem.

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 14, 18:31:57

Quote from: CyanideInsanity on 2013 Feb 13, 18:40:53

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 13, 18:10:48
"Trademark" is just another word for "screwing the fandom"

Not really. To shown an example, let's look at nintendo. Their company's symbol

Spoiler: show

is the company name inside whatever you'd call that shape... Now another company named *win*tendo starts making things. There's quite a lot of clueless people out there who could potentially purchase a 'win'tendo product mistaking it for a nintendo product. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Mane 6 =/= Hasbro.

That's obvious.

Nope. Still no problem.

If I recall, Fighting is Magic's full name was My Little Pony: Fighting is Magic. Therein lies some trademark issues. The game's name was advertising itself as being part of My Little Pony. Plus, the official ponies from the show are copyright/trademarked by Hasbro.

As long as they remove "My Little Pony" from the game's name and start using OCs with different cutie marks and names, I think it'll turn out alright.

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Quote from: CyanideInsanity on 2013 Feb 13, 18:40:53

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 13, 18:10:48
"Trademark" is just another word for "screwing the fandom"

Not really. To shown an example, let's look at nintendo. Their company's symbol [spoiler]

is the company name inside whatever you'd call that shape... Now another company named *win*tendo starts making things. There's quite a lot of clueless people out there who could potentially purchase a 'win'tendo product mistaking it for a nintendo product. Do you see where I'm going with this?

[/spoiler]

Mane 6 =/= Hasbro.

That's obvious.

Nope. Still no problem.
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While that's true to most in the fandom chances are those outside don't know anything; and therein lies the problem! Hasbro has no problem with it in regards to us. The problem they face is having to uphold their property in legal terms, and with preventing things from our side effecting those who aren't.

If people flipped out about derpy, how do you think they'd react if they thought a fighting game was made by hasbro? It seems to be human nature to shoot and 'not' ask questions later. People also rarely like to admit they're wrong. You may say hasbro needs to ignore them, but if they do that there is quite a real possibility of monetary loss to follow, which could lead to frayed ties between them and us.

I'm not sure if this comment has been mentioned in the earlier posts, but I'll just drop this quote from the official Mane6 site...

(c) Jesey1

"I'm also gonna repost something that is lost in the jumble below.

Everypony! Stop freaking out! Mane6 did NOT even confirm if the email/letter is invalid or fake!

If the email/letter doesn't have an Official Signature then it is invalid and whatever is said in it can be ignored and shouldn't take effect.

If there is NO signature at all, Mane6 can simply ignore it and continue their work as they pleased because it is most likely fake. I highly doubt Hasbro will be dumb enough to forget a signature cause if they did and then tried to take Mane6 to court, Mane6 will win the case cause of the fact of no signature at all.

If it does have a signature, make sure it is official. To do so, simply go to Hasbro's site and somewhere they should shown their official signature of their documents. If the official one doesn't match with the one on the letter/email then that letter/email is unofficial and can be ignored. If Mane6 does go to court, all they need to do is show a picture of the official signature and a picture of the unofficial one and say that they thought that the email/letter was fake, since the signatures did not match.

Now, if it was an email... Faking an email address is easy. Give me a few days and I can prolly send tons of fake C&D emails to people easily, though I wont. Also, if it is fake then don't expect Hasbro to do anything cause they most likely don't give a flying buck at all... It is extremely rare for a company to step in and say "That's not us"... Especially to something as small as Fighting is Magic...

How do I know this? Personal experience. I use to get tons of fake emails that was said to be from Jagex when I use to play RuneScape long ago... What they had in common? No signature. But when I got an email from a real person from a company, it had a signature and I was able to compare it to the signature on the official site for that company... Also, Jagex doesn't give a flying buck about those fake emails. They
never get involved at all cause it is just a small thing compared to them that doesn't mean anything at all... All they said is simply ignore it and they only said it once... It's posted somewhere in their forums or on their site, if I remember correctly.

So ye'h. @ Mane6: Check that letter/email. If it doesn't have an
official signature then continue your work and simply ignore it since it is most likely fake.

Why did I thought of this? I remember something about Hasbro knowing about this since early 2012 so why did Hasbro wait? I came up with three solutions to my question! 1: Hasbro is being a Read the forum rules.. 2: Someone was fired and replaced. The replacement made the decision to send the email/letter. or 3: It is fake cause someone doesn't want to see the game come out or come to the Evo event. Kinda funny how this C&D letter/email came about not long after the whole Evo thing, right? Coincidence? So ye'h...

Now if it was truly faked and the people who sent that fake email/letter are prolly reading our comments and laughing at us. If this is true then I got something to say to them... Come at me bro(s)!

That is all. I'm done now."

To be honest, I think this guys has a point :/

Im just going to say this final point
All the arguments and points made about this subject have been said and done, whether the document is real fake or whatever, as long as we support it in a positive manner with love and tolerance then all will work out. But from here onwards this thread, I can foresee it becoming a large scale argument about the legal system and how Hasbro "are bad " for protecting products so let's just call it all said and done, continue to sign the petitions and end this debate

Whatever.

They'll regret this HORRIBLE BUSINESS DECISION in the end.

That's all I have left to say.

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Spoiler: show

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"Trademark" is just another word for "screwing the fandom"

Not really. To shown an example, let's look at nintendo. Their company's symbol [spoiler]

is the company name inside whatever you'd call that shape... Now another company named *win*tendo starts making things. There's quite a lot of clueless people out there who could potentially purchase a 'win'tendo product mistaking it for a nintendo product. Do you see where I'm going with this?

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Mane 6 =/= Hasbro.

That's obvious.

Nope. Still no problem.

While that's true to most in the fandom chances are those outside don't know anything; and therein lies the problem! Hasbro has no problem with it in regards to us. The problem they face is having to uphold their property in legal terms, and with preventing things from our side effecting those who aren't.

If people flipped out about derpy, how do you think they'd react if they thought a fighting game was made by hasbro? It seems to be human nature to shoot and 'not' ask questions later. People also rarely like to admit they're wrong. You may say hasbro needs to ignore them, but if they do that there is quite a real possibility of monetary loss to follow, which could lead to frayed ties between them and us.
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On note with the Derpy fiasco, I think it's kind of hypocritical that Hasbro swept her under the carpet official... But still makes money off selling her merchandise... Completely off topic, but meh.

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 13, 12:52:59
I wonder if the art style is "copyrighted" or "trademarked".  is that even possible?

Even so it's Lauren's artwork and design.

WELL... I did ask earlier about location names as well like "Canterlot." If those are trademarked... :s

Some are mere puns like "Manehattan." Wouldn't it be ridiculous if they were trademarked? :l

Canterlot is just a pun of Camelot, like all the other cities.

Quote from: Midnight Breeze on 2013 Feb 14, 20:31:07
Canterlot is just a pun of Camelot, like all the other cities.

Its only a model  :P

I don't know if this means anything or not but Mane6 tweeted something.
http://twitter.com/ManeSix

Don't get excited or anything as I have no idea what this tweet means, it could be good, bad or change nothing at all.

Quote"@ManeSix did the C&D stop you from tweeting basic tweets, too? Or r u just being overflowed with questions? (in which case I'm not helping)"
Expand   
8 hrs
ManeSix DevTeam @ManeSix

"@legendofrob1 Bit of both. Thousands of msgs, not (m)any we can reply to right now. + Really busy backstage trying to sort this out."

It might be a ray of hope, or it may just be them figuring out what to do after getting that C&D.

They're trying to "sort this out", that sounds like they're fighting the C&D to me!

Go Mane6! :D

Quote from: Julius on 2013 Feb 14, 23:15:37
They're trying to "sort this out", that sounds like they're fighting the C&D to me!

Go Mane6! :D

We can only hope and pray to Celestia and Luna they can continue.

Don't get too excited as this could be anything. o_o We don't know what they are doing exactly.

C'mon Mane6, you can get back up, just don't die! >:O

Quote from: ComputerDeathglare on 2013 Feb 15, 00:03:15
C'mon Mane6, you can get back up, just don't die! >:O

Lion King! DD:

Nooooooo Mufasa.  DD: Hopefully they can sort something out though, if that's what they are doing.

Unintentional Lion King reference was unintentional. lol



Like a phoenix, the Mane6 shall rise from the ashes. Who agrees?!

Reference could also be Homeward Bound. :'( I love that movie. Such sad moments, though.

Oh gawd, Shadow. D:

Quote from: ComputerDeathglare on 2013 Feb 15, 00:34:57
Like a phoenix, the Mane6 shall rise from the ashes. Who agrees?!

HAY YEAH!

Reminds me of Tenacious D's Rize Of The Fenix. :P

Not going to link to it because... Well... It's Tenacious D. lol

Alright guys, the time to grieve is OVER. Let's take freaking action and get Fighting is Magic back on it's hooves! >:O

Quote from: ComputerDeathglare on 2013 Feb 15, 00:47:24
Alright guys, the time to grieve is OVER. Let's take freaking action and get Fighting is Magic back on it's hooves! >:O

I know what'll get them back on their hooves!

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Quote from: ComputerDeathglare on 2013 Feb 15, 00:47:24
Alright guys, the time to grieve is OVER. Let's take freaking action and get Fighting is Magic back on it's hooves! >:O

I know what'll get them back on their hooves!

And I know just how to respond to that!

Wait for iiit!... :D

*Squee*

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 15, 01:02:36

Quote from: ComputerDeathglare on 2013 Feb 15, 00:47:24
Alright guys, the time to grieve is OVER. Let's take freaking action and get Fighting is Magic back on it's hooves! >:O

I know what'll get them back on their hooves!

Cinnamon Roll! :D

Oh... It's a cinnamon bun...


*Squee*

 :D

yay for Pinkie Squees!!!

Pony off-topic topic is getting off-topic :P  lol

I'm thinking that LoE will have to have 24 hour GM's working around the clock policing the game deleting clones... because you just know your going to have someone making clones of the cannon characters from the show and finding unique ways of naming them after them too.

Which can result in Hasbro giving the game a C&D

Good. As Light Yagami would say...

"Just as planned"

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 15, 11:00:35
Good. As Light Yagami would say...

"Just as planned"

Spoiler: show

DISOBEY THE DICTATORSHIP

Nice subliminal messages bro. lol

Quote from: Dragnmastralex on 2013 Feb 15, 10:25:03
I'm thinking that LoE will have to have 24 hour GM's working around the clock policing the game deleting clones... because you just know your going to have someone making clones of the cannon characters from the show and finding unique ways of naming them after them too.

Which can result in Hasbro giving the game a C&D

:nod:
That's why there'll be a censor in naming your pony. No foul language, no canon character names. Hopefully not even background ponies, as those are trademarked as well.
I'm actually not sure if it'll support any of those fancy crazy-looking special letters or not. Hopefully not. They're a bit annoying to look at sometimes, and people use them to get around censors sometimes.

Block non-letters when naming.  ovO

Quote from: Night Pony on 2013 Feb 15, 14:14:54
Block non-letters when naming.  ovO

So we don't get any R41NB0W D4$H ponies and whatnot. :P

I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

QFT.

AMEN MY BROTHER.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Actually that would be terrible. Then tons of people could claim the show as their own by copying it , and making money from it. Not to mention anyone could just grab any of their toys , and sell them claiming that they are his.

What should happen is that companies let fans make what they want as long as they don't make money out of it.

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Actually that would be terrible. Then tons of people could claim the show as their own by copying it , and making money from it. Not to mention anyone could just grab any of their toys , and sell them claiming that they are his.

What should happen is that companies let fans make what they want as long as they don't make money out of it.

That seems better to me. :]

If only that day was today...

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Actually that would be terrible. Then tons of people could claim the show as their own by copying it , and making money from it. Not to mention anyone could just grab any of their toys , and sell them claiming that they are his.

What should happen is that companies let fans make what they want as long as they don't make money out of it.

That seems better to me. :]

If only that day was today...

Well imagine you worked so hard on a game , and then I took all your hard work  , and sold it as my own. Would that make you happy?

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Actually that would be terrible. Then tons of people could claim the show as their own by copying it , and making money from it. Not to mention anyone could just grab any of their toys , and sell them claiming that they are his.

What should happen is that companies let fans make what they want as long as they don't make money out of it.

That seems better to me. :]

If only that day was today...

Well imagine you worked so hard on a game , and then I took all your hard work  , and sold it as my own. Would that make you happy?

No, silly, I was agreeing with you. lol

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Actually that would be terrible. Then tons of people could claim the show as their own by copying it , and making money from it. Not to mention anyone could just grab any of their toys , and sell them claiming that they are his.

What should happen is that companies let fans make what they want as long as they don't make money out of it.

That seems better to me. :]

If only that day was today...

Well imagine you worked so hard on a game , and then I took all your hard work  , and sold it as my own. Would that make you happy?

No, silly, I was agreeing with you. lol

Oh silly me. Sorry I misunderstood you  lol .
I think it does still make a point though.

While there's a need for copyright laws and such some are far from perfect.

When you create an OC, it's technically copyrighted to you. lol

In many requests, I go
This pony (C) This person

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Yeah. Some of the Copyright laws are very flawed.

I bet the game 'Racing is magic' has helped the closing of Fighting is magic. It would be very easy to assume that Fighting is a official game.

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

Actually that would be terrible. Then tons of people could claim the show as their own by copying it , and making money from it. Not to mention anyone could just grab any of their toys , and sell them claiming that they are his.

What should happen is that companies let fans make what they want as long as they don't make money out of it.

That seems better to me. :]

If only that day was today...

Well imagine you worked so hard on a game , and then I took all your hard work  , and sold it as my own. Would that make you happy?

No, silly, I was agreeing with you. lol

Oh silly me. Sorry I misunderstood you  lol .
I think it does still make a point though.

I'm with you, my brothers.

Hasbro doesn't understand us anymore.

That's pretty much obvious at this point.

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 16, 10:31:04
Hasbro doesn't understand us anymore.

That's pretty much obvious at this point.

*Watches new episode*


You... are so correct.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 15, 20:41:06
I dream of a day when copyright is dead and gone, Hasbro is run by reasonable people and fandoms are encouraged, not hated/alienated by companies.

I think Hasbro should be run by people who don't feel like everything should be all about money, at least.

As for no copyright laws... No thanks. >.< That's like if you make an OC and put lots of hard work into their design and backstory, and make all kinds of art of it, and then someone else comes along and claims your OC as theirs. Or you write an awesome story series, and someone else takes credit of it as theirs.

Or you come up with your own awesome recipe, and someone else steals it and sells it, and you get nothing out of their use of it! :I

Or your own invention! Or... or... your own clothing line, or toy line. DD:

Quote from: ComputerDeathglare on 2013 Feb 16, 11:07:29

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 16, 10:31:04
Hasbro doesn't understand us anymore.

That's pretty much obvious at this point.

*Watches new episode*


You... are so correct.

...

I haven't watched it yet. I don't watch it until Sunday.

How many people have left the fandom due to the episode?

tbh, I don't even watch the show anymore, not much at any rate.  haven't actually seen any of them since the pets one, and have been sporadic since too many pinkies.  Whatever magic they had with them got ground into the floor as soon as they merged the show and toy departments.

I was happy when they gave a nod to the internet with Too Many Pinkies, but I want to watch the last episode but I dread what I shall see. Hasbro needs to stop pushing their toys and let the show breathe a little. It's kinda irritating. And if Hasbro makes them do something extra stupid (I'm talking worse than what episode 13 is supposed to be), I'm going to the nearest Ikea and flipping ALL THE TABLES! ovO

Quote from: rhyme writer on 2013 Feb 18, 08:45:20
I was happy when they gave a nod to the internet with Too Many Pinkies, but I want to watch the last episode but I dread what I shall see. Hasbro needs to stop pushing their toys and let the show breathe a little. It's kinda irritating. And if Hasbro makes them do something extra stupid (I'm talking worse than what episode 13 is supposed to be), I'm going to the nearest Ikea and flipping ALL THE TABLES! ovO

The show's writers actually delivered it pretty well, aside from having to rush it with the 22 minutes they were given.

Also, the entire point of the TV show is to advertise the toys. It has always been to advertise the toys. It's been that way since... the... When did MLP shows first start? The 80s?
Same goes for Care Bears, Littlest Petshop, Transformers, and I believe Strawberry Shortcake.

You have to admit, it's a brilliant idea. Show any kid a commercial of a cool toy, and they might say they want it. Make a TV show where you give the toys personalities, voices, and stories, and the kids will ask for the toys of their favorite characters nonstop.

Yes but out of a commercial show they made something decent. Something that could easily stand on its own. It took a few generations, but it happened. It kinda makes me disappointed the toy side tightening its grip and influencing the show. I can only hope that the rumored movie doesn't turn into an almost 2 hour long commercial.

Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 18, 11:29:51
Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

if a few hundred thousand of us show up wearing masks in front of their headquarters holding signs and chanting, they'll start paying attention.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 19, 14:54:51

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 18, 11:29:51
Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

if a few hundred thousand of us show up wearing masks in front of their headquarters holding signs and chanting, they'll start paying attention.

I doubt it honestly.

Hey guys, news from the Mane6! Go read here (http://www.mane6.com/2013/02/c-megapost.html)!

It appears they still are fighting the C&D! Go Mane6! You can do it! :D

Or they can take Lauren Faust's offer to create a completely original cast   :D

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 19, 14:54:51

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 18, 11:29:51
Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

if a few hundred thousand of us show up wearing masks in front of their headquarters holding signs and chanting, they'll start paying attention.

Why does that sound familiar? :/

Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2013 Feb 20, 05:47:01

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 19, 14:54:51

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 18, 11:29:51
Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

if a few hundred thousand of us show up wearing masks in front of their headquarters holding signs and chanting, they'll start paying attention.

Why does that sound familiar? :/

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 19, 18:09:06

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 19, 14:54:51

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 18, 11:29:51
Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

if a few hundred thousand of us show up wearing masks in front of their headquarters holding signs and chanting, they'll start paying attention.

I doubt it honestly.

If it's coupled with a riot and general damage, it'll make a statement.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 20, 14:35:42

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 19, 18:09:06

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 19, 14:54:51

Quote from: LostSanity on 2013 Feb 18, 11:29:51
Complaining really doesn't do any good.

There going to do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it really.

That's really all there is to it really.

if a few hundred thousand of us show up wearing masks in front of their headquarters holding signs and chanting, they'll start paying attention.

I doubt it honestly.

If it's coupled with a riot and general damage, it'll make a statement.

a riot with things getting broke / people hurt would never be a good thing, it would make everybody look bad and has no point
if you hope for that, that is horrible
even if you could get a peaceful protest planned that hard part would be getting a group of people together OVER A TV SHOW
its one thing to write a letter / sign petitions, it is a totally different thing to travel hundereds of miles for a tv show
I understand you guys love the show but come on there are way bigger problems than the direction of a tv show
if that is your biggest problem you got nothing to worry about

again everything Hasbro is doing is legal, no reason to have a big hissy fit ( lol cant believe I said that)

And besides...Twilight would be OP against the rest of the mane 6 since now she's an alicorn.  lol

meh, I'm considering everything after mid-season to be entirely non-canon from here on out.  And this isn't JUST a TV show, this is MY LITTLE PONY!  >:O lol

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 20, 15:15:14
meh, I'm considering everything after mid-season to be entirely non-canon from here on out.  And this isn't JUST a TV show, this is MY LITTLE PONY!  >:O lol

TV show?....THIS IS My Little pony! *spartan kick!*

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Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2013 Feb 20, 15:15:14
meh, I'm considering everything after mid-season to be entirely non-canon from here on out.  And this isn't JUST a TV show, this is MY LITTLE PONY!  >:O lol

TV show?....THIS IS My Little pony! *spartan kick!*

AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaahhh... WHY'D YOU DO THAT?! It hurt! >.<

Then stop watching the show and leave the fandom Wandering Magus.

That or just deal with it.

Im just comming back and saying this and to be fair this recent events have proven me right This thread has gone to far, all has been said and done the offical statements from Mane6 has been releaced go read it, and seriouly dont turn this into a rant about the new episode if you didnt like it fine dont rant or tell people to leave just because you wernt a fan of it. Honestly Let this thread die before somepony gets upset and leaves

and on that note im locking this up