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Someone asked me to make this a poll/thread.

Since the removal of post counts and post counts, it's been suggested that we have a "badge" for forum users who have been noted for excellent and helpful behavior.

It's totally up to the community if you'd like this implemented; I'm staying neutral now. Any suggestions, thoughts or concerns can go here. Have a friendly debate about this.

Any other suggestions like "likes" or "thank you" buttons do not belong here.

Also just in case: the badge will not grant you any moderator power - you will still be a regular user, it will just show you're trusted by the community with a little fancy badge. ;)

Hehe, it's tied now. Equilibrium complete  0:)

i vote no. becuase i think it will still make up some elitist feeling around the forums which a forum shoulndt have at all. the only thing we need is moderators to keep controlls. but implating something like this may couse people do what ever to aquire that "badge" to just have it. which would miss use everything about it. and on the way to get that badge may also make people just post random non-sense to just show that they are around on the forums and hoping for it.
but ofcourse the idea behind is good. it would be nice to know who to turn to if you got problems etc. but we got mods for that aswell.

I vote yes because a mod is not always present to help newcomers around (they're busy enough as it is), and they should be able to see someone who's earned an award for just being themselves; kind, helpful, and welcoming. So that way they can be asked for help.  ^-^

Unfortunately, the requirements are vague. How good do you need to be to get it?
This will also possibly cause false good doing, and other such stuff.
Rage could happen, incessant requests for the badge, etc.
From what I've seen, it's better to have personal achiev... Lemme go suggest that...

Quote from: Link on 2012 Jun 02, 18:36:22
I vote yes because a mod is not always present to help newcomers around (they're busy enough as it is)

well if the mods are having trouble i would probably imagine they would get a few mods more. and the new people dosent require immediate help either. so they would just have to be patient to be honest.

Not voting just yet, but the idea behind it is admirable.

But on the mod helpers and such, to ME at least, even now to an extent >.<, mods are less the "friendly helpful ponies who understand you" and more the "big bad banhammer weilders who are scary and might get upset at silly questions from ponies like me".  I would personally be more comfortable asking well-liked and contributing non-mods if i were a newbie... >.<

Please don't hurt me...

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 02, 19:26:09
mods are less the "friendly helpful ponies who understand you" and more the "big bad banhammer weilders who are scary and might get upset at silly questions from ponies like me". 

if a mod would get upset over a stupid question, he/she woulndt be fit for beign a mod then. atleast the way i see it. a mod is a person who is going to help others with their problems, bugs and issues and at the same time try to remain controll on forums and thread and make sure things are okay and not going out of hand. so a mod should be tolerable with bad/stupid question and should treat them as serious questions and actully help the person solve them.
thats atleast how i view a mod

I think this is a good idea, I know there are both pros and cons that are being debated and I agree with both sides to an extent, but like Magus said, it might be really handy for newer ponies to have some pony to look up to on the site, and somebody to make them feel welcome. :D I mean I know this already happens on the intro boards but it still seems like a good addition, especially with the removal of the post count and other things.

I would have said 'No' to this, but then I saw that post count was removed.

I'm all for this, so long as the badge is easy to get clear on what it's for instead of being a tool to show off.

I used to be afraid of mods, since I was treated unfairly by one once, but then I came here where mods are angels.  0:) For a newbie, a normal user seems nicer than a mod, but if somepony starts acting elitist, the badge WILL be removed. It's just common sense. I vote yes.

I feel like there should just be a post count, there hasn't been any major problems with it

This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 02:27:13

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

well yes, but that's a part of being a contributor and good samaritan.  A nopony wouldn't really qualify as much of a contributor, for instance.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 03:34:19

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 02:27:13

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

well yes, but that's a part of being a contributor and good samaritan.  A nopony wouldn't really qualify as much of a contributor, for instance.

but if we were to actully give out this badge it would be have to be someone who actully helps out other with issues and give out directions. and then popularity should _NOT_ have any plays in that decision becuase that would completley destroy the whole thing again. and and posting everywhere would not qualify either for such a thing. becuase if i were to ask someone with this badge. i would want help/directions not some popular guy/girl giving their 2 cents. of course they would most likley help me. but still i would give this badge to who people actully giving out help.

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 03, 08:09:58

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 03:34:19

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 02:27:13

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

well yes, but that's a part of being a contributor and good samaritan.  A nopony wouldn't really qualify as much of a contributor, for instance.

but if we were to actully give out this badge it would be have to be someone who actully helps out other with issues and give out directions. and then popularity should _NOT_ have any plays in that decision becuase that would completley destroy the whole thing again. and and posting everywhere would not qualify either for such a thing. becuase if i were to ask someone with this badge. i would want help/directions not some popular guy/girl giving their 2 cents. of course they would most likley help me. but still i would give this badge to who people actully giving out help.

If you give good advice, you'll be popular. Not as popular as some ponies, but you'll be noticed by the community.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 08:30:47

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 03, 08:09:58

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 03:34:19

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 02:27:13

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

well yes, but that's a part of being a contributor and good samaritan.  A nopony wouldn't really qualify as much of a contributor, for instance.

but if we were to actully give out this badge it would be have to be someone who actully helps out other with issues and give out directions. and then popularity should _NOT_ have any plays in that decision becuase that would completley destroy the whole thing again. and and posting everywhere would not qualify either for such a thing. becuase if i were to ask someone with this badge. i would want help/directions not some popular guy/girl giving their 2 cents. of course they would most likley help me. but still i would give this badge to who people actully giving out help.

If you give good advice, you'll be popular. Not as popular as some ponies, but you'll be noticed by the community.

true. but if this choice will be given to us. most likley the most popular ones will get it. and you know it :]

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 03, 09:02:33

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 08:30:47

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 03, 08:09:58

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 03:34:19

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 02:27:13

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

well yes, but that's a part of being a contributor and good samaritan.  A nopony wouldn't really qualify as much of a contributor, for instance.

but if we were to actully give out this badge it would be have to be someone who actully helps out other with issues and give out directions. and then popularity should _NOT_ have any plays in that decision becuase that would completley destroy the whole thing again. and and posting everywhere would not qualify either for such a thing. becuase if i were to ask someone with this badge. i would want help/directions not some popular guy/girl giving their 2 cents. of course they would most likley help me. but still i would give this badge to who people actully giving out help.

If you give good advice, you'll be popular. Not as popular as some ponies, but you'll be noticed by the community.

true. but if this choice will be given to us. most likley the most popular ones will get it. and you know it :]

This is why the mods should decide on who will get the badge.

Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 03, 09:04:13

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 03, 09:02:33

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 08:30:47

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 03, 08:09:58

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 03:34:19

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 02:27:13

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 02:13:23

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 03, 01:28:22

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 03, 01:19:44
This comparison will probably not work quite as well outside certain countries, but Snarfgsnor, think of my perspective as this:

If you were new in a town/city, and wanted directions, and there was a bunch of normal citizens, a policepony, and a citizen wearing a shirt given to her specially by the town/city that said "i help other ponies" on the front, who would you more likely go to to ask for help?

But what if the shirt just said "I spam posts" with this directly below it =P

I went a bit off track, but it's still there. What will the badge say and look like if it would be implemented?
--edit--
And how do you get it, that's the most important part. It's the only question I have really, and the only thing preventing me from voting.

maybe a nomination by somepony other than the individual, with ponies debating the pros and cons and reasons to give or not give the badge, culminating in a serious, non popularity based poll that hides the results?

I completely agree? o_O

I think popularity is a factor though. The more popular somepony is, the heavier their statements will be. You can't have a nobody walking around as a nominee. Nopony will know who they are and it's hard to accept that.
((Of course, almost all ponies here are popular. Anypony who posts like, around 5 posts a day is popular))
Not a high standard, but it's still a standard.

well yes, but that's a part of being a contributor and good samaritan.  A nopony wouldn't really qualify as much of a contributor, for instance.

but if we were to actully give out this badge it would be have to be someone who actully helps out other with issues and give out directions. and then popularity should _NOT_ have any plays in that decision becuase that would completley destroy the whole thing again. and and posting everywhere would not qualify either for such a thing. becuase if i were to ask someone with this badge. i would want help/directions not some popular guy/girl giving their 2 cents. of course they would most likley help me. but still i would give this badge to who people actully giving out help.

If you give good advice, you'll be popular. Not as popular as some ponies, but you'll be noticed by the community.

true. but if this choice will be given to us. most likley the most popular ones will get it. and you know it :]

This is why the mods should decide on who will get the badge.

see my nomination suggestion, and my illustration specifically said the award was for "i help others" not "i post a lot"

i vote all my yes for this  ^-^ i like this badge idea

Post counts or nothing in my opinion. I know this is meant to be a friendly community and all, but I really don't like the idea of getting rewards for only being helpful. I really hope it doesn't end up working like this in game. I want rewarded for my time here, not what others think of me. But I guess that's just me, I don't enjoy going out of my way helping people to get rewarded. If I want to help someone I will do it without an incentive, other than my personal desire.

Basically I like being rewarded for the time spent here, not for what the community thinks of me. I couldn't care less about the forums at this point, other than for game related news and discussion, but I really hope this being helpful thing doesn't work its way into the game. Sorry, I'm here to game, not make friends. But I like ponies, and this friendship thing is just part of liking them.

One more time in case no one saw it; the only incentive for being helpful should be your own desire. Don't give people rewards for being helpful just so they'll actually be helpful, it's annoying because then everyone is trying to help people and really don't know how to do so. But whatever, as I said I couldn't care less about the forums, just don't do this in game.

Quote from: lol
Sorry, I'm here to game, not make friends. But I like ponies, and this friendship thing is just part of liking them

You know this game is a social game, right? It's not gonna be like any other mmorpg. It's not gonna be based off fighting. If you're not here to make friends, you're probably not gonna like most of this game.

Quote from: Tiger on 2012 Jun 05, 06:29:09

Quote from: lol
Sorry, I'm here to game, not make friends. But I like ponies, and this friendship thing is just part of liking them

You know this game is a social game, right? It's not gonna be like any other mmorpg. It's not gonna be based off fighting. If you're not here to make friends, you're probably not gonna like most of this game.

I second this. Do you even watch the show? Or understand the message it's portraying?

Friendship is the running drive of the show. The core. This game is based on it. It's a social-based MMORPG. If you're not going to socialize, chances are you're going to be missing out on plenty of content.

Quote from: Lary on 2012 Jun 05, 07:52:29

Quote from: Tiger on 2012 Jun 05, 06:29:09

Quote from: lol
Sorry, I'm here to game, not make friends. But I like ponies, and this friendship thing is just part of liking them

You know this game is a social game, right? It's not gonna be like any other mmorpg. It's not gonna be based off fighting. If you're not here to make friends, you're probably not gonna like most of this game.

I second this. Do you even watch the show? Or understand the message it's portraying?

Friendship is the running drive of the show. The core. This game is based on it. It's a social-based MMORPG. If you're not going to socialize, chances are you're going to be missing out on plenty of content.

Third. A large part of the community on these forums, and just bronies in general, is being friendly. Especially on here, with the user-submitted-content threads and the RP's.

Quote from: Azure Dusk on 2012 Jun 05, 07:57:49

Quote from: Lary on 2012 Jun 05, 07:52:29

Quote from: Tiger on 2012 Jun 05, 06:29:09

Quote from: lol
Sorry, I'm here to game, not make friends. But I like ponies, and this friendship thing is just part of liking them

You know this game is a social game, right? It's not gonna be like any other mmorpg. It's not gonna be based off fighting. If you're not here to make friends, you're probably not gonna like most of this game.

I second this. Do you even watch the show? Or understand the message it's portraying?

Friendship is the running drive of the show. The core. This game is based on it. It's a social-based MMORPG. If you're not going to socialize, chances are you're going to be missing out on plenty of content.

Third. A large part of the community on these forums, and just bronies in general, is being friendly. Especially on here, with the user-submitted-content threads and the RP's.

And I actually thought I would get flamed by my post o_O
But they're all right. In real life, I'm anti-social. But here, look at how friendly I am! I'm a completely different person online.
I say you should develop two personalities ovO
In all seriousness though, if you just want to game and have no intention to socialise whatsoever, then just play TF2. 'Nuff said.

Quote from: Tiger on 2012 Jun 05, 06:29:09

Quote from: lol
Sorry, I'm here to game, not make friends. But I like ponies, and this friendship thing is just part of liking them

You know this game is a social game, right? It's not gonna be like any other mmorpg. It's not gonna be based off fighting. If you're not here to make friends, you're probably not gonna like most of this game.

Wrong. It's a MMORPG with Social Elements. We already stated before that you can play this game with or without friends. Though it's a better experience with friends. But however, you aren't even needed to play the game itself. You can just use it as a virtual chat if you like.

I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

Quote from: Tekner on 2012 Jun 05, 13:55:29
I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

seems like a decent system.  And it helps separate the "popular by spam" posters versus the "popular by quality" posters.

The badge is like karma, do something good and you´ll be rewarded.

Quote from: daswed on 2012 Jun 06, 11:57:44
The badge is like karma, do something good and you´ll be rewarded.

Karma didn't really do that at all, it turned into a "who's the most popular" thing.

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 06, 12:39:01

Quote from: daswed on 2012 Jun 06, 11:57:44
The badge is like karma, do something good and you´ll be rewarded.

Karma didn't really do that at all, it turned into a "who's the most popular" thing.

like what it was MEANT to do, then.

Eh, why not? Though if it does get to the point were people are just trying to gain the status for the sake of having it and not for being truly helpful, I'd say toss it.

i dunno, i think it sounds like a bad idea. First of all, how are you going to see if someone has been helpful or not? Maybe they have been twice or something and the mods saw that, but someone whos been working their butt off for whatever reason and trying to be helpful was never noticed by any mods and then the first one gets it.

Once someone gets the badge, are they still going to make an effort or will they start ignoring others because they already have it?

There are several other reasons i say nay as well, but since we now have a forum that is free from elitism i sort of wish we could keep it that way. Do you have to add something just for the sake of having something that makes others seem a little better than the rest?

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 06:30:13
i dunno, i think it sounds like a bad idea. First of all, how are you going to see if someone has been helpful or not? Maybe they have been twice or something and the mods saw that, but someone whos been working their butt off for whatever reason and trying to be helpful was never noticed by any mods and then the first one gets it.

Once someone gets the badge, are they still going to make an effort or will they start ignoring others because they already have it?

There are several other reasons i say nay as well, but since we now have a forum that is free from elitism i sort of wish we could keep it that way. Do you have to add something just for the sake of having something that makes others seem a little better than the rest?

That shouldn't happen if what Tekner describes is the system



The reason why this is being suggested is for the community, as you've seen, most of the problems and questions answered are by the community. You rarely see any of the mods, so it's difficult to talk to them. As for the community, they can help more easily and can be seen as closer and nicer because we're all peers here. Especially new members, if they want to ask something in private, but the mods haven't been answering, they can look for people with the badge.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 06:51:23
That shouldn't happen if what Tekner describes is the system

Spoiler: Tekner's description • show

[quote author=Tekner link=topic=2563.msg179336#msg179336 date=1338918929]
I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

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The reason why this is being suggested is for the community, as you've seen, most of the problems and questions answered are by the community. You rarely see any of the mods, so it's difficult to talk to them. As for the community, they can help more easily and can be seen as closer and nicer because we're all peers here. Especially new members, if they want to ask something in private, but the mods haven't been answering, they can look for people with the badge.
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this sounds better but im not convinced yet. letting the users decide only means that people can go around asking for nominations, or someone might refuse to nominate someone they know deserve it because they dont like them. its probably going to be more of a popularity contest than anything else

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 06:58:59

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 06:51:23
That shouldn't happen if what Tekner describes is the system

Spoiler: Tekner's description • show

[quote author=Tekner link=topic=2563.msg179336#msg179336 date=1338918929]
I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

[/spoiler]

The reason why this is being suggested is for the community, as you've seen, most of the problems and questions answered are by the community. You rarely see any of the mods, so it's difficult to talk to them. As for the community, they can help more easily and can be seen as closer and nicer because we're all peers here. Especially new members, if they want to ask something in private, but the mods haven't been answering, they can look for people with the badge.

this sounds better but im not convinced yet. letting the users decide only means that people can go around asking for nominations, or someone might refuse to nominate someone they know deserve it because they dont like them. its probably going to be more of a popularity contest than anything else
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That shouldn't happen

Quote from: Tekner"On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge."

Unless the mods screw up, they should be able to give an unbiased judgement, because there's a reason on the post and the post itself.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 10:04:28

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 06:58:59

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 06:51:23
That shouldn't happen if what Tekner describes is the system

Spoiler: Tekner's description • show

[quote author=Tekner link=topic=2563.msg179336#msg179336 date=1338918929]
I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

[/spoiler]

The reason why this is being suggested is for the community, as you've seen, most of the problems and questions answered are by the community. You rarely see any of the mods, so it's difficult to talk to them. As for the community, they can help more easily and can be seen as closer and nicer because we're all peers here. Especially new members, if they want to ask something in private, but the mods haven't been answering, they can look for people with the badge.

this sounds better but im not convinced yet. letting the users decide only means that people can go around asking for nominations, or someone might refuse to nominate someone they know deserve it because they dont like them. its probably going to be more of a popularity contest than anything else

That shouldn't happen

Quote from: Tekner"On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge."

Unless the mods screw up, they should be able to give an unbiased judgement, because there's a reason on the post and the post itself.
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If there is one thing I've learned in my almost 15 years on the Earth, it's that no one, and I mean NO ONE, can give a truly unbiased judgement unless they have literally no knowledge of anything. But then it becomes a random vote.
I've seen it happen far too much everywhere, happens to me almost all the time when something bad happens.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 10:04:28

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 06:58:59

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 06:51:23
That shouldn't happen if what Tekner describes is the system

Spoiler: Tekner's description • show

[quote author=Tekner link=topic=2563.msg179336#msg179336 date=1338918929]
I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

[/spoiler]

The reason why this is being suggested is for the community, as you've seen, most of the problems and questions answered are by the community. You rarely see any of the mods, so it's difficult to talk to them. As for the community, they can help more easily and can be seen as closer and nicer because we're all peers here. Especially new members, if they want to ask something in private, but the mods haven't been answering, they can look for people with the badge.

this sounds better but im not convinced yet. letting the users decide only means that people can go around asking for nominations, or someone might refuse to nominate someone they know deserve it because they dont like them. its probably going to be more of a popularity contest than anything else

That shouldn't happen

Quote from: Tekner"On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge."

Unless the mods screw up, they should be able to give an unbiased judgement, because there's a reason on the post and the post itself.
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youre taking a lot of things for granted here and with mods like perry i doubt there will be anyone getting one of those badge unless its his favourite users. i still say no, this is a decent idea that wont work too well in reality

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 11:47:13
If there is one thing I've learned in my almost 15 years on the Earth, it's that no one, and I mean NO ONE, can give a truly unbiased judgement unless they have literally no knowledge of anything. But then it becomes a random vote.
I've seen it happen far too much everywhere, happens to me almost all the time when something bad happens.

That makes me sad to read. There are good people in the world, you know, more than you realize. You might need to look for them, but they'll show up sooner or later. And you have to get rid of your own wants if you want to accept an unbiased judgement or you'll think everyone else is the problem.

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 11:49:59
youre taking a lot of things for granted here and with mods like perry i doubt there will be anyone getting one of those badge unless its his favourite users. i still say no, this is a decent idea that wont work too well in reality

I'm not taking things for granted. I'm taking a risk (not me personally, but you understand, right?) and you can't know what'll happen until you try. This is something that could turn out very helpful for new members. The worst thing that can happen is that'll it turn like the karma system, which they got rid of.

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 11:49:59

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 10:04:28

Quote from: Rainy-Chan on 2012 Jun 09, 06:58:59

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 06:51:23
That shouldn't happen if what Tekner describes is the system

Spoiler: Tekner's description • show

[quote author=Tekner link=topic=2563.msg179336#msg179336 date=1338918929]
I vote yes on some conditions. No matter what systen we use, popularity will always play a role in who is most rewarded by other users. There has to be some intervening, unbiased (as unbiased as you can get, anyway) force that oversees any system that is designed to make certain people stand out over others.

What I think should happen is that nominations should be allowed by users. A user can only nominate another user once, ever. Nomination happens based on a post and the nominating user must give a reason why this person should gain a badge. On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge.

[/spoiler]

The reason why this is being suggested is for the community, as you've seen, most of the problems and questions answered are by the community. You rarely see any of the mods, so it's difficult to talk to them. As for the community, they can help more easily and can be seen as closer and nicer because we're all peers here. Especially new members, if they want to ask something in private, but the mods haven't been answering, they can look for people with the badge.

this sounds better but im not convinced yet. letting the users decide only means that people can go around asking for nominations, or someone might refuse to nominate someone they know deserve it because they dont like them. its probably going to be more of a popularity contest than anything else

That shouldn't happen

Quote from: Tekner"On the moderator side, they can see which users have nominations and how many. Once a user has enough nominations, they can click on that user and see what reasons the other users gave and under what context (the post they were nominated for.) It will then be up to the moderators to decide who gets a badge."

Unless the mods screw up, they should be able to give an unbiased judgement, because there's a reason on the post and the post itself.

youre taking a lot of things for granted here and with mods like perry i doubt there will be anyone getting one of those badge unless its his favourite users. i still say no, this is a decent idea that wont work too well in reality
[/quote]could you give some specifics as to what is being taken for granted please?  The idea seems reasonable enough to me, bar your point on Perry, which I concede is possible.  SweBow would be taking complaints on a biased judgement if it comes to that.

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 12:09:00

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 11:47:13
If there is one thing I've learned in my almost 15 years on the Earth, it's that no one, and I mean NO ONE, can give a truly unbiased judgement unless they have literally no knowledge of anything. But then it becomes a random vote.
I've seen it happen far too much everywhere, happens to me almost all the time when something bad happens.

That makes me sad to read. There are good people in the world, you know, more than you realize. You might need to look for them, but they'll show up sooner or later. And you have to get rid of your own wants if you want to accept an unbiased judgement or you'll think everyone else is the problem.

I know there are good people in the world, where did that come? Bias is not necessarily a bad thing.
Seriously, where in the hay do people pull stuff like you did from?

Any opinion that someone gives on anything will always be biased, because it is based off the things they know, believe, or witness..

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 13:30:45

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 Jun 09, 12:09:00

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 11:47:13
If there is one thing I've learned in my almost 15 years on the Earth, it's that no one, and I mean NO ONE, can give a truly unbiased judgement unless they have literally no knowledge of anything. But then it becomes a random vote.
I've seen it happen far too much everywhere, happens to me almost all the time when something bad happens.

That makes me sad to read. There are good people in the world, you know, more than you realize. You might need to look for them, but they'll show up sooner or later. And you have to get rid of your own wants if you want to accept an unbiased judgement or you'll think everyone else is the problem.

I know there are good people in the world, where did that come? Bias is not necessarily a bad thing.
Seriously, where in the hay do people pull stuff like you did from?

What I understood is that you think people not only don't choose what's right, but nobody cannot choose what's right. They either judge with a biased view or they judge in something they know absolutely nothing about. That is what I, and I'm sure others too, view as corrupt and ignorant people.
When you said "I've seen it happen far too much everywhere, happens to me almost all the time when something bad happens." I honestly believed that most people were oppressing your opinions and your rights to be heard. I'm sorry I was wrong and I'm glad to hear you're not in that situation. :D

And Azure may have clarified what you meant by a completely unbiased judgement

Quote from: Azure Dusk on 2012 Jun 09, 14:06:22
Any opinion that someone gives on anything will always be biased, because it is based off the things they know, believe, or witness..

That's not what I believe to be unbiased, but I can accept it. (It's true that can be called bias, but I understand bias to be ignoring facts and accepting an unsupported belief -- or choosing favorites over facts)
Here's the dictionary definition. Verb (used with object): to cause partiality or favoritism in (a person); influence, especially unfairly.

un·bi·ased
Showing no prejudice for or against something; impartial

bi·as
Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair

I would like to remind everyone that there is a reason I added the "(as unbiased as you can get, anyway)" tid-bit. I agree with Zygrograxgra that nothing isn't biased, ever. Basic humanity dictates that everything we do is biased, but per that fact, that means that ultimately there isn't a thing we can do to avoid bias. Instead of saying "I don't like this system because it is prone to bias", just do your best to design a system that has as little bias as possible/is necessary, which is what I think I've done. To address the complaint that it still involves the users, which will introduce bias to the system, I'd like to remind you that bias is necessary for the badge system (or any such similar system, for that matter) to work. We're going to want users that are helpful and considerate to have the badge. If everyone was impartial to everything and everyone else, we wouldn't be able to pick the few people that truly deserve a badge. Skepticism and anti-intellectualism are two of my least favorite horseman, please don't fall to them.

    I completely agree with everything Tekner just said, but I also have an innate desire to be pedantic. I'm so conflicted. I'm also in favor of this system.