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Hello everyone!
A recent discussion has lead us to getting rid of badges and titles for your post count. We feel that it should be quality not quantity.
In replacement of post counts giving you titles we now have a karma system!

We're still testing this feature, so please voice your thoughts and concerns in this thread.

In order to see what karma you've received, try going to your profile » Profile Info » "View Reputation"

If you cannot see this please inform us, as we're testing this feature and want to make sure it works properly.

If everything goes well, we will be removing post count badges.

Sending reputation:

To send reputation, click on the little (http://82.147.19.83/~legendso/forum/Themes/Tseting/images/karma.gif) (magic wand) under a person's avatar. Then you have to option to "Agree" and give them positive karma, or "Disagree" and give them negative karma. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they're saying to give somepony positive karma, as long as you like their post or think it's a good post, giving them positive karma will increase their reputation and in turn help them give others fair reputations!

Existing members all got 50 karma.
New forum members will get 25 karma.

Karma goes up or down by five points for every post. Each time you give someone karma, you must give three other people karma before giving that same person karma again.

Reputation Powers are given for every 100 reputation points you earn. It's just another symbol of your karma. The higher your reputation power, the more effect you have when you give another pony karma points.
You will gain another star for every 1,000 karma points you earn after you earn 2,000 karma points.
Hover over each your stars to see your special "title."

Hope you enjoy and post here if you find any issues with the system! ;)

Well, I see it, I clic it and it's says that no one sent me reputation and I sent any. I tried sending it to someone else but I don't know how.  So how will it work?

Updated the first post with a guide. ^-^
Do you see the little magic wand? (http://82.147.19.83/~legendso/forum/Themes/Tseting/images/karma.gif)

Yes I do, and it's good that I don't have one for me. I don't want me or others to cheat and give themselves max reputation.

i find this WONDERFUL!!! as wonderful as finding the lost city of atlantes made out of pinnies in your closet

Do give us a minute, we're trying to reset everyone's post karma to be the same. ^-^
Turns out some people have zero and a few have a hundred. o_o

There we go, now everyone has 50 karma.
Thanks, cerebrate. ^-^

qu'est-ce?  DD:

Oh this system is here now.....i dont think its really of any use to have this karma system really, i happen to be on another forum  that haves this system and there are a lot of pepole asking for karma in pm`s  (ofc in that forum, karma haves an important use).
Dont think it haves an important use here , but still, it was worth typing if it does!

i find karma AWESOME!!! but what are these... powers they speak of

I've updated the first post with a bit of information about the powers. It's basically how much effect you have on another person's karma.
So those with high karma will have more effect on when they give someone karma.

Like your new karma point Madness? I made it just for you.

I SAW THAT!! now.. go check yours.. for AWESOMENESS!!!

I think I'm gonna like this system. I gave you some karma yourself for making this new system!

Some changes have been made for the Karma System.

Your second star comes once you get 2,000 karma points and every 1,000 points from then on gets you another star.

This may make things more challenging, but the whole point of the karma system was to better achieve higher quality posts and to lessen spam, not just to get shiny stars. ^-^

Any abuse of the system will result in a -5,000 karma total! Enjoy! ;)

ill be interested to see how it works and if people even try to abuse it, on other forums ive been on i have seen this system scrapped but I do like it better than the post count titles because you can just spam get the large number

there are penalties now!!! now ponies will think twice before spamming bad karma on ponies they dont like  :)

    I've found an interesting bug with this, but it seems to be an error with the modification itself, so I'm unsure whether or not there is an immediate solution available. Still, it can't hurt to report it here, and perhaps you can find a solution where I failed to. On the users' profile pages, there appear the "good" and "bad" reputation buttons, but upon clicking either, one receives an error message. If the modification package for profile comments is simply not able to work in combination with the one for the reputation system, perhaps there is some way to simply disable it from appearing on these comments. I've never been much of a coder, as you're well aware, so I hesitate to modify anything myself beyond the simple cosmetic aspects, such as the titles for each rank, and the like. We had a lot of fun with those. At any rate, if anyone wants to make an attempt at fixing this, I'd consider your own chances of success well above my own.

Oooo, karma system. I liketh.  :D

this is so peculiar. I'm still confused by it though, won't some ponies still spam post? or is the idea that good post will generate far more in the long run?

well now instead of being frowned apun for spam posting you can now be penalized, which will keep others from spam posting or posting for just the sake of posting

I like this system. Now post count doesn't matter and people will take time to make quality posts :)

I can see this being abused amongst close-knitted pony groups who would rather give karma to each other for simply being friends with them, than actually giving karma for a decent post.
I hate to be the only one to dislike this feature (seen as so many approve already), but it's features like this that stroke people's egos and creates elitists amongst the community.

I speak on experience from past forums I've been too; an explanation as to why I am negative towards this, I am not saying I am right.

Who knows though, LoE might be different.

Quote from: Mr.Darkling on 2012 Apr 06, 14:26:25
I can see this being abused amongst close-knitted pony groups who would rather give karma to each other for simply being friends with them, than actually giving karma for a decent post.
I hate to be the only one to dislike this feature (seen as so many approve already), but it's features like this that stroke people's egos and creates elitists amongst the community.

I speak on experience from past forums I've been too; an explanation as to why I am negative towards this, I am not saying I am right.

Who knows though, LoE might be different.

I like the system, but not the way it was implemented. So, I'm in with you on the 'dislike' thing.

Quote from: Mr.Darkling on 2012 Apr 06, 14:26:25
Who knows though, LoE might be different.

we can only hope for that to be true, but meh I dont really put too much into a number

    Thank you for the fix, Anya.


    Big hug.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsgix1XPli1qm71sh.gif)
   

its actully intresting where this will bring us. but i have to agree with darkling here. it might be abused but we'll see how it goes and hope for the best.

Maybe, also a reason. "Why do you want to give this person -/+ karma?" it will help a little (i think) to stop karma spam , also a link to the post the karma was given.

If the system remains I would rather see why someone's post was given good or bad karma.
At least then it gives understanding and more clarity amongst the community rather than just being some number with no real meaning to others at all, aside from looking a tad pretentious.

I myself have received karma. I know why but no one else ever will.
It's just another number to them.
There should at least be an option to share your Karma info at least; I would certainly have mine set to public.
It gives people a better idea of who I am and the people who karma me for whatever reason and so on.

I agree with what Mr.Darkling has said, if it's just a number and other users can't see why they have that reputation, I don't see how it is any differen't from the post count really..it's just a number, it influences people giving rep just because sompony already has alot of rep
It could also be subject to Bias in some cases, unfortunatly  >.<
*Gives Mr.Darkling Ironic Rep*

I will not be making karma public for everyone to see.
Administrators and moderators (I think) are the only ones who have access to view everypony's karma.

I'm giving the Karma system at least a week before deciding to take it down or not.

The whole goal was that reputation was given when someone posts something of good quality. If this doesn't work out, then we'll start lowering people's karma and eventually disabling the system altogether.

It's really just a test.

I see where everyone's coming from about the whole "elite" groups thing, but I've seen a couple of forums where this same karma system worked very well.
Then again, everyone seems too friendly to be giving negative karma when someone deserves it, which may be another problem.

I dunno, we'll see. :)

im actually going to be using the dislike button, i see ponies having a petty fight on a thread...

i would use the dislike option too sometimes ^^ but i wont say when ovO

Quote"im actually going to be using the dislike button, i see ponies having a petty fight on a thread..."

*whistle* i did nothing  :')

But the dislike button is =(
The like button is =)

une puissance réputation! Je suis un super héros! Merci Beaucoup poneys agréable.  *-*

Bonjour Ninkon, comment ca va?

Arrête de parler français
Je vais vous poignarder si vous n'avez pas

Quote from: Thunder Jet on 2012 Apr 06, 21:47:09
Bonjour Ninkon, comment ca va?

I'm fine, but I've been told to stop speaking French

Pourqoui est-ce tu ne parle pas francais?

Quote from: Thunder Jet on 2012 Apr 06, 21:59:14
Pourqoui est-ce tu ne parle pas francais?

I do speak it, but this is an English forum. Please only use English in conversations, only side comments should be French. It's not very nice.

you guys were greatly confusing me

So far, no bugs for me, seems little hard to understand if your new to the forum though 8D

Hooray!!  A site where quality trumps quantity!  This idea seems to be so lost now-a-days...

(lol thanks Ninkon)

You do mean mean "Quality over Quantity" I hope ^-^

This could either be a good or bad thing, it totally depends on how people use it I think.
I'm not against it as of now... however, I can't see the magic wand or give anypony karma. Anyone know why?

Yeah, from what I can see, this is a system based on who likes who, not who makes good posts.

Quote from: AnyaSmash on 2012 Apr 06, 00:06:41
You don't necessarily have to agree with what they're saying to give somepony positive karma, as long as you like their post or think it's a good post, giving them positive karma will increase their reputation and in turn help them give others fair reputations!

Here is is clear that this is meant to encourage quality, but people with generally low quality posts (such as Madness) have extremely high reputation.
The system needs to be changed into something that rewards quality, not knowing people.

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Apr 07, 20:03:06
Yeah, from what I can see, this is a system based on who likes who, not who makes good posts.

Quote from: AnyaSmash on 2012 Apr 06, 00:06:41
You don't necessarily have to agree with what they're saying to give somepony positive karma, as long as you like their post or think it's a good post, giving them positive karma will increase their reputation and in turn help them give others fair reputations!

Here is is clear that this is meant to encourage quality, but people with generally low quality posts (such as Madness) have extremely high reputation.
The system needs to be changed into something that rewards quality, not knowing people.

It's called 'Reputation power' It's only fitting that Madness should have lots, also ponies just like his posts.

I've found that I can't see who has given me reputation. Shame.

Also, people are going to rep posts that they like, plain and simple. It won't be a quality issue as much as a, "I like/dislike this" issue.

Also, I'm waiting for the thread that says, "LOLREPMEPLOX."

Quote from: Explolguy on 2012 Apr 07, 23:21:56
I've found that I can't see who has given me reputation. Shame.

Also, people are going to rep posts that they like, plain and simple. It won't be a quality issue as much as a, "I like/dislike this" issue.

Also, I'm waiting for the thread that says, "LOLREPMEPLOX."

Done.

Quote from: Explolguy on 2012 Apr 07, 23:21:56
I've found that I can't see who has given me reputation. Shame.

Also, people are going to rep posts that they like, plain and simple. It won't be a quality issue as much as a, "I like/dislike this" issue.

Also, I'm waiting for the thread that says, "LOLREPMEPLOX."

    Well, so far as I'm aware, it's currently impossible to have a system that is based on actual quality, as I do not believe we have machines that are capable of recognizing quality. Although popularity is not the same thing as quality by any means, the two are more often in correlation than are quality and quantity. To reward each post equally would directly undermine a crusade toward quality, whereas rewarding popularity does, at least, act as a step in the right direction, as quality posts are more likely to be popular among the users than are the posts which consist entirely of smileys or phrases such as the example you have just given. Having said that, we would welcome any reasonable ideas for improvement with this system.

I wasn't implying it to be a fault on the staff's behalf, I was just pointing out the truth of it. As much as I wish people would merely reward quality when they see it, that's not going to be the case. There really isn't anything that can be done to improve the system, per-say. All you can really do is put faith in the userbase.

Quote from: Explolguy on 2012 Apr 08, 01:31:39
I wasn't implying it to be a fault on the staff's behalf, I was just pointing out the truth of it. As much as I wish people would merely reward quality when they see it, that's not going to be the case. There really isn't anything that can be done to improve the system, per-say. All you can really do is put faith in the userbase.

Yeah, you're right.
(http://speedcap.net/img/4a94b7e7c5c234d95ec96eadb9d4b4fd/81164410.png)

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Apr 07, 20:03:06
but people with generally low quality posts (such as Madness) have extremely high reputation.
The system needs to be changed into something that rewards quality, not knowing people.

most my posts are a sentence long and they are ALL different... you have made me sad for saying my posts are of low quality... and my out of thread game posts can be from 1 to 8 sentences... you should check next time before accusations... but i dont blame you AND i forgive you! :)

Quote from: Lord of Madness on 2012 Apr 08, 03:22:03

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Apr 07, 20:03:06
but people with generally low quality posts (such as Madness) have extremely high reputation.
The system needs to be changed into something that rewards quality, not knowing people.

most my posts are a sentence long ||| and my out of thread game posts can be from 1 to 8 sentences

That's quantity Madness, not quality.
(http://fim.413chan.net/fim/src/132563991378-twilight_troll_face.jpg)

Still on a serious note Madness.
I find your posts too focused on role-playing your character (even out of the role-playing sections of the forums.)
At times, so much so, that you don't give any real feedback or any that I can relate to in any shape or form.
That's my 2 cents anyway.

longer forum posts usually = better quality *Hugs Darkling, his good friend*
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJ5_vUWVy-UCJ8rmLWcnNI7xPjg_CFJeUTaPnGpWSSGJhXfHOgCQ)
but my OC reflects my Personality, even thou i give some slightly insane oriented opinions or posts outside of RP forums they have slight structure in them, usually enough to belong withing said thread that they find themselves in, and if seriousness is needed ill do what needs to be done for the best of our community, but note taken Darkling ^-^

Quote from: Lord of Madness on 2012 Apr 08, 08:16:58
longer forum posts usually = better quality *Hugs Darkling, his good friend*

Never heard of quality over quantity?  ;)

Quote from: Lord of Madness on 2012 Apr 08, 08:16:58
but my OC reflects my Personality, even thou i give some slightly insane oriented opinions or posts outside of RP forums they have slight structure in them, usually enough to belong withing said thread that they find themselves in, and if seriousness is needed ill do what needs to be done for the best of our community, but note taken Darkling ^-^

Good to know I guess  ^-^

Anyway ontopic:

Is there a way to see the different ranks there are?
I saw the chimney one which made me chuckle so I'm curious of the others  :)

    I'm fairly certain there's no way of seeing a list of the ranks at this time. Really, though, what fun would it be if you could just see all of them right away? Given the proper amount of time, I'm sure they'll all spring up sooner or later.

i kinda like being surprised and not knowing what rank is next...
that is unless the i finally get like a super high rank and it turns out to be no-life  lol

i can only hope it ends up being a reference to something insane ovO

Not really a big fan of karma functions without a low cap. It always ends in bragging and looking down on people with low karma.
Then again this is a My little pony forum, so you never know.

Madness always dresses in style. *-*

Yeah, I'm gonna wait to see what problems may or may not arise before judging the system.

ya... but even if the system is flawed... i say its the thought that counts!

I've added a poll to see whether the karma system should be removed or not.

It's interesting, but I still prefer post count ranks. Why not both?

All for this.

Honestly, I don't think it should matter what you put in, as we are here to talk and  have fun, not gain titles, right?

Quote from: minecraftah on 2012 May 06, 17:00:08
Honestly, I don't think it should matter what you put in, as we are here to talk and  have fun, not gain titles, right?

It's a nice feature though. Wouldn't hurt.

Based on experience, this is only going to create elitist groups who good karma their friends rather than those who make good posts. It'll be nothing but a silly popularity contest.

Quote from: Synic on 2012 May 06, 21:20:31
Based on experience, this is only going to create elitist groups who good karma their friends rather than those who make good posts. It'll be nothing but a silly popularity contest.

That's why I'd rather is not be here.
Less from experience and more from logic.
This is merely making/going to make four or five top Karma people, who just karma each other. It less rewards post quality and more rewards being liked.

Well since karma got brought up again, I'll reset the poll and see what the results are again.
I'd appreciate some thoughtful feedback to support your votes.

Like I said, it's more of a reputation system than a karma system. I'd be fine if it were re-named completely to reputation, but it isn't.
Karma would be earned slowly and through quality posts, the votes monitored by mods and such, each vote with a good reason behind it.

I barely use it. I've only given out 2 good votes and one bad vote. The rest of the posts I've seen are kinda average. And I actually have my rep status turned off as well. So if people use it, good. I haven't seen any instances where people got negative treatment for having a low reputation, so I say let it stay.

well for what i have experienced and seen around is that the system is barley used at all. lets take me for an example, have given out only good reputaion for very good posted information or helped someone with something, or both. i havent given out bad rep because i dont feel someone have deserved it. if someone desrves bad rep they really had to loose their mind and offended someone.

for a elitist group: nope, it dosent seem like anyone have done that yet. and the karma system have been here for like, i dont know 2-3 weeks now? so far i havent seen some just spam random good karma at someone for the only reason to give karma at all.

Well this system isn't that bad. A little unusual to me, but pretty good nonetheless.

Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 May 07, 01:58:29


for a elitist group: nope, it dosent seem like anyone have done that yet. and the karma system have been here for like, i dont know 2-3 weeks now? so far i havent seen some just spam random good karma at someone for the only reason to give karma at all.

That'll change especially when the game gets up and running and people start forming groups.

I'm not sure that it will change actually. Bronies are remarkable in how readily they accept people different than them.

Quote from: Azure Dusk on 2012 May 07, 22:09:24
I'm not sure that it will change actually. Bronies are remarkable in how readily they accept people different than them.

You haven't been on the brony side of memebase or funnyjunk lately have you? I refuse to even go to those sites anymore because of how bad it's become there.
That being said you do have a point. The brony community elsewhere seems to be very pleasant people who will accept different people.
On topic: I say leave the system up, at least until the game is up and/or it actually does get abused. Speculation on how it could get abused does not mean that it has and I have seen little evidence of exactly that. To me it seems like a little incentive to post meaningful things on the forums, and is something to work on achieving while we wait for the game. 

Did the karma system get disabled... I haven't been able to give karma for a while.

I think they've disabled it until they can reach a decision on whether or not to keep it. That would make sense to me at least.

Quote from: Dr. Hoofington on 2012 May 07, 22:44:15

You haven't been on the brony side of memebase or funnyjunk lately have you?

On topic: I say leave the system up, at least until the game is up and/or it actually does get abused. Speculation on how it could get abused does not mean that it has and I have seen little evidence of exactly that. To me it seems like a little incentive to post meaningful things on the forums, and is something to work on achieving while we wait for the game.

I go on there daily. A lot of people know others by name on there.

As for the system, a lot of the ratings are kinda messed up right now because of all the posts in roleplay that aren't counted anymore. so a lot of people have a few thousand posts that aren't supposed to count.

True but they fixed that now, though of course there are a few people with more then they should have. I'm just fine with it though. It's not like people were trying to abuse it. They were just doing the rp and forum games like they usually did. At least I think so.
And perhaps I have just seen the worse side of those sites. Either way a certain recent event has sort of put me off from those sites for a while sadly.

Quote from: Synic on 2012 May 08, 17:20:10

Quote from: Azure Dusk on 2012 May 07, 22:09:24
I'm not sure that it will change actually. Bronies are remarkable in how readily they accept people different than them.

Just because we all like friendship and ponies doesn't mean we're all altruistic and accepting.

That being said, I see where you're coming from, and frankly whether we have it or not should not be an issue. Every poster should be considered equal regardless of reputation/postcount, in my opinion.

Quote from: Synic on 2012 May 08, 17:21:36

Quote from: Synic on 2012 May 08, 17:20:10

Quote from: Azure Dusk on 2012 May 07, 22:09:24
I'm not sure that it will change actually. Bronies are remarkable in how readily they accept people different than them.

Just because we all like friendship and ponies doesn't mean we're all altruistic and accepting.

That being said, I see where you're coming from, and frankly whether we have it or not should not be an issue. Every poster should be considered equal regardless of reputation/postcount, in my opinion.

The edit button's a marvelous thing
((Don't double post, especially if it's the same thing))

Use the edit button luke

Quote from: AnyaSmash on 2012 Apr 06, 17:46:36
I will not be making karma public for everyone to see.
Administrators and moderators (I think) are the only ones who have access to view everypony's karma.

Is that why it says "Latest Reputation Actions" at the top banner, then at the bottom it says "You haven't sent or received any reputation!" when you view your profile's reputation? Or is karma and reputation different things, causing this message to be displayed?

Quote from: Equestrian on 2012 May 08, 17:25:09

Quote from: Synic on 2012 May 08, 17:21:36

Quote from: Synic on 2012 May 08, 17:20:10

Quote from: Azure Dusk on 2012 May 07, 22:09:24
I'm not sure that it will change actually. Bronies are remarkable in how readily they accept people different than them.

Just because we all like friendship and ponies doesn't mean we're all altruistic and accepting.

That being said, I see where you're coming from, and frankly whether we have it or not should not be an issue. Every poster should be considered equal regardless of reputation/postcount, in my opinion.

The edit button's a marvelous thing
((Don't double post, especially if it's the same thing))

I thought I did edit it. Hmm. Odd.

Quote from: Tag360 on 2012 May 10, 10:05:59

Quote from: AnyaSmash on 2012 Apr 06, 17:46:36
I will not be making karma public for everyone to see.
Administrators and moderators (I think) are the only ones who have access to view everypony's karma.

Is that why it says "Latest Reputation Actions" at the top banner, then at the bottom it says "You haven't sent or received any reputation!" when you view your profile's reputation? Or is karma and reputation different things, causing this message to be displayed?

Karma is what makes your rep higher or lower.
Doesn't make any sense to me. they should be two separate values.

Just confirming, did the system get dropped?  Or is it just me?

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 May 26, 02:06:07
Just confirming, did the system get dropped?  Or is it just me?

It seems so, everything about the karma system has disappeared...
Thank god. I hated it.

From the looks of things, you can still give out karma, you just can't see the score in the forums.

There could also be a problem with the mechanism and it could be back up soon or they finally found that some ponies were abusing it

Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 May 26, 12:43:44
From the looks of things, you can still give out karma, you just can't see the score in the forums.

There could also be a problem with the mechanism and it could be back up soon or they finally found that some ponies were abusing it

not sure if I should still be giving out "disagree" and "agree" to bad and good posts, if it doesn't really do anything.

It's gone?
Yes! Wasn't really doing anywhere near what it should have been. Like I said, it was a popularity thing, not a quality thing.

Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 May 26, 19:12:31
It's gone?
Yes! Wasn't really doing anywhere near what it should have been. Like I said, it was a popularity thing, not a quality thing.

i agree with you to an extent, but my thought was rather this is a forum and raitings/contest inspiring things have nothing to do on a forum.

Karma has now been officially dropped, sorry for any confusion. ^-^

Aaaaand now the reputation wand is gone as well. Good.
Except now how will we punish the trolls?
I guess it's back to just simply reporting them.  :c
-sigh-

Quote from: Pinkie Pie on 2012 May 31, 23:18:59
Aaaaand now the reputation wand is gone as well. Good.
Except now how will we punish the trolls?
I guess it's back to just simply reporting them.  :c
-sigh-

I doubt the average troll cares about a number that doesn't do anything. Reporting them, on the other hand, might result in post deletion/banning, which is a much more meaningful consequence to pretty much everyone.  :P

Quote from: lurk852 on 2012 Jun 01, 01:15:27

Quote from: Pinkie Pie on 2012 May 31, 23:18:59
Aaaaand now the reputation wand is gone as well. Good.
Except now how will we punish the trolls?
I guess it's back to just simply reporting them.  :c
-sigh-

I doubt the average troll cares about a number that doesn't do anything. Reporting them, on the other hand, might result in post deletion/banning, which is a much more meaningful consequence to pretty much everyone.  :P

True.. true.. -.-

lurk852 is right, karma wouldn't have affected the trolls in anyway. Please report trolls, spammers, etc.

Somepony would find honor in having the most negative karma on the forum, it didn't have a downside like being banned or shunned

Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 01, 10:33:08
Somepony would find honor in having the most negative karma on the forum, it didn't have a downside like being banned or shunned

Oh, that's true because there was a spotlight for both best and worst reputation in statistics.
So I guess the Karma system will not be missed.  :)

I'm kind of glad it's gone. It was kind of awkward that the popular/well-liked people who posted quite a bit had so much rep. I ended up not giving them karma anymore because I thought "He/she has 85 rep. I mean, really. Surely he/she doesn't need more karma anymore."

That's not bad of me, right? Wasn't it awkward when most of us had like 10 or 17 or 30 rep when there were a few who had rep in the 70s and 80s?

What Book Smarts said.
I gave Cerebrate -10,000 karma. Ehehe.  X3
Time to retire this thread.
Thanks for trying out karma. ^-^