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« Reply #20 on: 2012 Jun 08, 01:21:47 »
oh, lary, lary lol

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so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?
Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Lol dovahpony

Well, it seems She breeds dragons.  She bred Spike, at least.
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Re: Underlying Implications
« Reply #21 on: 2012 Jun 08, 01:30:57 »
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?
Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Lol dovahpony

Well, it seems She breeds dragons.  She bred Spike, at least.
I wonder if Spike was a lost or stolen egg. Also, it seems weird that Spike doesn't have wings while a lot of the other dragons we've seen have wings. Is he from another region or is he a misfit?

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« Reply #22 on: 2012 Jun 08, 01:33:34 »
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?
Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Lol dovahpony

Well, it seems She breeds dragons.  She bred Spike, at least.
I wonder if Spike was a lost or stolen egg. Also, it seems weird that Spike doesn't have wings while a lot of the other dragons we've seen have wings. Is he from another region or is he a misfit?
maybe both, or a different species.

I like the idea of interconnected generations, and i think of spike as a descendent of Kenbroth
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Re: Underlying Implications
« Reply #23 on: 2012 Jun 08, 06:47:26 »
Cider is in no way an alchoholic drink its just apple juice now a days if its made in a brewery its somehow alchoholic I drink cider in real life.
Yes I am aware cider can be made alchoholic ,but how did they make it in the show?Mushed up apples the turned to juice its pretty much apple juice with different ingredients ,and rotten apples ,and twigs don't turn it into alcohol.
Like I said, horses eat rotten apples to get drunk sometimes in real life. :l The ponies were intent on keeping rotten apples out of their cider. Therefore, what if apple cider with rotten apples in it becomes alcoholic in the Pony Universe?

After all, when an apple is left to rot, it can ferment. How is alcohol made? Fermentation. How is wine made? Often letting juice from grapes ferment.
'Tis why most schools don't serve grape juice. At least, not here anyway.
I didn't know about horses getting drunk with rotten apples sorry I thought about the real alcoholic cider.

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« Reply #24 on: 2012 Jun 08, 11:37:14 »
So if glue is made from body parts and ponies use glue...
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« Reply #25 on: 2012 Jun 08, 12:54:47 »
So if glue is made from body parts and ponies use glue...
You can make glue substances out of more than just animals.

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« Reply #26 on: 2012 Jun 08, 14:27:07 »
Apple pies and anvils?  If that's not just for show, then i greatly fear for the future of the Equestrian military should open war break out.
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« Reply #27 on: 2012 Jun 08, 22:57:46 »
Apple pies and anvils?  If that's not just for show, then i greatly fear for the future of the Equestrian military should open war break out.

Those are the most modern apple pies, they are 20% tastier than the last apple pies  ovO

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« Reply #28 on: 2012 Jun 09, 00:02:40 »
Y'all just realized that Equestrians are nudists.
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« Reply #29 on: 2012 Jun 09, 11:50:26 »
Y'all just realized that Equestrians are nudists.
I knew this a long time ago.
It actually makes perfect sense, they have tough hide and fur, so why would they need clothing? It developed to protect out bodies and keep them warm, something they don't need at all. It's more of a status thing than anything else.

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« Reply #30 on: 2012 Jun 09, 12:48:05 »
you are now aware that pegasi have SIX limbs. O:
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« Reply #31 on: 2012 Jun 09, 13:39:06 »
you are now aware that pegasi have SIX limbs. O:
It was obvious!

The eyes of a pony are far too large, so where are all the eye injuries?

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Re: Underlying Implications
« Reply #32 on: 2012 Jun 09, 14:48:05 »
you are now aware that pegasi have SIX limbs. O:
It was obvious!

The eyes of a pony are far too large, so where are all the eye injuries?
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« Reply #33 on: 2012 Jun 09, 17:02:28 »
How exactly do those orbs fit in that skull?
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« Reply #34 on: 2012 Jun 09, 18:48:41 »
I can't remember where, but I've heard it said that the most unrealistic part of FiM is the lack of social stratification between the three races.  =P
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« Reply #35 on: 2012 Jun 09, 18:53:46 »
I can't remember where, but I've heard it said that the most unrealistic part of FiM is the lack of social stratification between the three races.  =P
ah, but that's where overthinking it comes in! ovO

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Solidarity is Illusion: The Political Economy of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
[Hey little 'uns - enjoy this guest post by Oscar Moralde! - Ed.]

The My Little Pony toy line has always been a flashpoint for debates on gender representation and consumerism, and its latest incarnation in the animated series My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is no exception. Kathleen Richter at the Ms. magazine blog mounted an attack on the show, calling it “homophobic” and “smart-shaming” – criticism that comes off as a bit incoherent because the show is neither of those things. Creator Lauren Faust, who previously worked on The Powerpuff Girls and Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends, writes in her rebuttal to Richter that in developing this series she wanted to show that:

Cartoons for girls don’t have to be a puddle of smooshy, cutesy-wootsy, goody-two-shoeness. Girls like stories with real conflict; girls are smart enough to understand complex plots; girls aren’t as easily frightened as everyone seems to think.

In that respect she has succeeded. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (hereafter referred to as MLP: FiM) is sharply written and gorgeously animated, and features positive role models in female characters who defy stereotypical gender roles. The show also teaches lessons about confidence, self-expression, and overcoming adversity.

But the strong feminist themes of the series are built on a foundation of political contradictions. The most fantastic element of the show is not that ponies can talk or that dragons exist; it is the illusion that an egalitarian society can be maintained among groups with massive biologically inherent gaps in ability and economic utility. By even the most cursory of sociological and economic analyses, the society in MLP: FiM should be highly stratified along class and racial lines. And there are clear signs of that stratification, except they are obscured by a propagandistic focus on the power of “friendship”.



Now I know the question you all must be asking: “But don’t the historical theories of capital accumulation presuppose a world defined by scarcity and industrial development?” Of course they do. The setting of MLP: FiM, a land called Equestria (and specifically the city of Ponyville), is populated by three types of ponies. There are the earth-ponies, the most mundane type which most closely resemble real ponies. There are pegasi, flying ponies that are able to manipulate the weather. And finally, there are the unicorns, horned ponies that have a wide portfolio of magic powers, including telekinesis, alchemical transformation, and teleportation. There are also other sapient species in Equestria, such as cows; the concept of one intelligent species keeping another for milking purposes is quite disturbing if interrogated closely enough.

One potential objection to an economic analysis of MLP: FiM is whether such analysis is even warranted. The economy of a fictional world may be abstracted without consequences in some stories; after all, any flow of capital in Harry Potter is insignificant in comparison to the existential battle between good and evil that is at the core of the story. However, many of the stories in MLP: FiM focus on the performance of economic tasks: crop harvesting, production of baked goods, and the maintenance of the town. Other episodes are about characters finding their roles in society. These kinds of stories rely on a plausible economic base to be meaningful.

In fact, most of the stories written by Faust and her staff, although ostensibly about the power of friendship, also happen to be about the allocation of scarce resources (“Ticket Master”), correcting inefficiencies in the organization of labor (“Winter Wrap-Up”), or averting famine in the city of Ponyville (“Swarm of the Century”). Several of the threats in the series—the prospect of eternal night, an infestation of locust-like pests, and a blanket of dragon’s smoke over the town—are presented in the context of permanently crippling Ponyville’s economic productivity. Unlike The Smurfs, which proposed a fantasy world centered on a collectivist community, Equestria has a market economy through which a wide variety of goods and services are bought and sold. And in this economy, there is an equivalent to industrial technology: unicorn magic.



Other stories which make use of magic in their settings usually have a caveat which prevents easily equating magic with industrial technology. Perhaps magical power is biologically tied to rare individuals, or is physically debilitating, or has effects that are dangerous and unpredictable, or is restricted by a higher power. Any of these caveats would make magic problematic as a source of increased economic efficiency. However, none of these applies to magic as presented by MLP: FiM.

For a case study, take the episode “Applebuck Season”, which teaches the lesson that it’s OK to ask others for help if you need it. On closer examination, there’s an economic lacuna hidden in the premises and everyday workings of the episode. The story follows Applejack, an earth-pony, as she attempts to harvest her family’s apple orchard by herself after her brother is injured. The process of apple harvesting is shown in very specific, step-by-step detail: Applejack walks to a tree, kicks it to knock the apples loose, collects them in an apple basket, and then walks to another tree and repeats the process.

However, at the end of the episode, Applejack accepts the help of Twilight Sparkle, a unicorn. In the final harvesting scene, Twilight Sparkle is shown using telekinetic magic to pluck hundreds of apples from dozens of trees simultaneously; then she floats all the apples across a great distance to their buckets. Combine this with her ability to teleport from place to place at will and the process is staggeringly more efficient than what a mundane earth-pony can achieve. Applejack’s livelihood depends on selling these apples at market – she even claims in one episode that she needs to pay for her grandmother’s hip replacement. So the question becomes: why hasn’t she been run out of business? Any unicorn running an apple orchard would be able to harvest with a significantly lower investment of labor, and therefore be able to sell those apples at a discount far beyond what any earth-pony could hope to achieve.

The situation would be less problematic if this degree of ability were limited to Twilight Sparkle alone. However, unicorns as a race inherently possess some level of magical power. Twilight Sparkle may be in the upper echelons of ability, but Rarity, the other unicorn in the central cast, can telekinetically stop and redirect high velocity projectiles; she also transforms a tree branch into a series of perfectly manicured leaf sculptures with a single thought.

The pegasi can perform functions that the unicorns cannot, such as repositioning clouds to create rain or flying to guide migratory birds. But where does that leave your proletarian earth-pony? It certainly wouldn’t be as co-equal participants in the economic life of Ponyville. There are rudimentary stabs at the development of mechanical technology by earth-ponies, as seen in the character of Pinkie Pie. In fact, Pinkie Pie is the best representation of the tension between the show’s strong feminist themes and its questionable economic foundation; although she appears to be the ditzy party animal of the group, she also displays considerable skill in science and engineering. She devises a technical solution to Ponyville’s infestation problems in a scenario where magic has failed, and in the episode “Griffon the Brush-Off” she channels Leonardo da Vinci and builds a flying machine in order to keep up with the pegasus Rainbow Dash. However, Pinkie’s flying machine is smashed by a jealous griffon, showing that technology can be destroyed or expropriated more easily than innate magical ability can.



There is ample evidence that Equestria is already highly stratified, and the mantra of “friendship is magic” is nothing more than a mythic-religious creed designed to perpetuate false consciousness among the ponies. For confirmation, take a look at the professions of the main cast. The two earth-ponies work in agriculture and the service industry. Of the pegasi, Fluttershy can be classified as a naturalist and Rainbow Dash aspires to be a pro athlete.

In contrast, the two unicorns work in the professions that have the most cultural and political cachet. With the fashion designer Rarity, Faust does avoid portraying the mindless consumer typical in girls’ cartoons; Rarity’s character traits show that she is more than a clothes horse and has an engagement with the fashion industry “not as a shopaholic but as an artist.” And as a business owner, she is certainly a figure to aspire towards. But how much of her success can be attributed to the fact that textile production and delicate piecework is much easier when you have magic at your disposal?

As for Twilight Sparkle—the protégé of the ruling monarch Princess Celestia—she seems to control the means of knowledge production in Ponyville. She has access to unfettered telecommunications through Spike, her dragon companion. She also lives in the town library; how many books in that library were written by unicorns as opposed to the other pony races? (Not to mention the voices of griffons and dragons and cows, which are most likely also marginalized in the Equestrian narrative?) Whenever a non-magical pony tries to write, the image is comical at best; they must hold their implements awkwardly in their mouths. Unicorns, on the other hand, can easily manipulate and create texts using magical power. Twilight Sparkle drafts documents simply through the power of her mind.

With this inherent publishing bias in Equestria, how slanted is the historical narrative towards the unicorns? Small wonder that “Winter Wrap-Up”, a story entirely about Twilight Sparkle’s attempt to find her role in society, ends with her discovering that she is best suited for managing the laborers in Ponyville and succeeding at a task that the earth-pony mayor has been trying for years to accomplish. The episode’s titular song also betrays Twilight Sparkle’s bourgeois anxiety at the fact that her magic (and thus her economic advantage) is restricted in this single situation by social convention.



The fact that Equestria is governed by a monarch that is also the creator-goddess of the world is the real capstone of Equestria’s thinly-veiled social stratification. Princess Celestia possesses the horn of the unicorn and the wings of the pegasus. However, since pegasus and unicorn have all the physical characteristics earth-ponies have, the earth-ponies’ representation in the embodiment of their own deity can only be assumed; it’s a virtual presence at best. Do earth-ponies experience body dysmorphia when they realize they don’t have horns or wings like their princess-creator and the other races of Equestria? If your society is governed a literal god-empress, the focus on “friendship” may be nothing more than an attempt to suppress racial consciousness and dissent.

And in fact, perhaps Ponyville can be seen as a site of resistance for earth-pony culture; the prohibition against magic during Winter Wrap-Up is a gesture, however token, against the complete dominance of their goddess’s magic in their daily lives. A stronger and more visible sign of dissent is sadly improbable in Equestria; the difficulties of overthrowing a ruler who literally controls the movement of the sun would prove daunting to even the staunchest revolutionary. Unless, of course, Pinkie Pie were to construct a machine that replicates this function…
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Re: Underlying Implications
« Reply #36 on: 2012 Jun 09, 19:13:06 »
I read the 1st paragraph and then gave up... It's a cartoon, I don't want to think to deeply about it. It's an innocent program and thats why I like it. :P

Lets be honest, most males in cartoons end up acting like idiots, amazingly... Maybe I haven't watched that many cartoons, but females seem to be the only ones who can pull it off without seeming stupid. :P Or maybe its just MLP isn't a stupid cartoon and everything else is? :D
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« Reply #37 on: 2012 Jun 09, 19:16:33 »
I read the 1st paragraph and then gave up... It's a cartoon, I don't want to think to deeply about it. It's an innocent program and thats why I like it. :P

Lets be honest, most males in cartoons end up acting like idiots, amazingly... Maybe I haven't watched that many cartoons, but females seem to be the only ones who can pull it off without seeming stupid. :P Or maybe its just MLP isn't a stupid cartoon and everything else is? :D
There's stuff in there about reverse sexism, racism, elitism, unicorn supremacy, etc, etc. lol
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« Reply #38 on: 2012 Jun 09, 19:30:48 »
I only skimmed it, but just seeing how long it was made me laugh out loud x3 I can see how it could be fun to write something like that.

That's no more overthinking it than the rest of this thread, but that's okay.  :P
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« Reply #39 on: 2012 Jun 09, 19:46:01 »
if you look at the hats/crowns that the pony leaders wore at the Three Tribes, you'll notice they're each threatening each other.

"I have wealth, and you don't."

"I have swords, and you don't."

"I have FOOD, and YOU DON'T."
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