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What new species do you want added first in Legends Of Equestria

Griffin
5 (27.8%)
Dragon
2 (11.1%)
Changling
8 (44.4%)
Wolf
3 (16.7%)
Yaks
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: 2016 Dec 22, 15:58:45

Author Topic: New Species For Legends Of Equestria  (Read 927 times)

Offline HylianWolfMage553

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New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« on: 2016 Nov 09, 21:22:48 »
I've always loved being a pony but I feel that since there are other species in Equestria that only being allowed to play as a pony seems for lack of a better term limiting. How cool would it be to play as a range of dragons based on both western and eastern legends? Or soar through the clouds as a Griffin? And yes I know including all species from the show as playable species right off the bat would be two much so here is my idea: have each species be unlocked through some server-wide event that causes some massive change to happen. Very similar to how the original version of FF14 ended. An animated cutscene that is either a prelude to a server boss that has to be beat or a dungeon that after completion activates a cutscene that causes the species to be unlocked. Players who were offline at that time will be able to activate the event again should they complete "Buildup" quests which is preparing for said event.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #1 on: 2016 Nov 14, 01:00:11 »
Naturally, as a Changeling, I'd be happy to play as such. Realistically, I don't see it happening until potentially far in the future, if ever. It really all depends on where the game goes after full release and what the devs decide upon. In the meantime, I'll just be "in disguise".


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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #2 on: 2016 Nov 14, 07:55:36 »
I'm just curious to know. If your creature would be added into the game then what abilities would you think it should have in order to differntiate from the other three pony races?

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #3 on: 2016 Nov 14, 10:44:41 »
@BludSpammd I've thought about it before. There's only a couple of ideas I came up with.

Obviously, Changelings would need to not be able to teleport like Unicorns, fly like Pegasi, or have the passive faster movement of Earth Ponies. The obvious thing about Changelings is their disguising ability. Perhaps being able to "disguise" (at a cost of energy per second) and take on the physical appearance of the targeted entity/player until they run out of energy or toggle it back off. Perhaps this would make them undetectable to mobs. Disguises would also break upon attacking with the potential exception of the energy drain below.

Another thought was of the energy system. Changelings could potentially drain their target of "love" (energy), refilling their own in the process. To counter this, Changelings could have very low energy regen, making them rely on their drains to keep disguises up and/or attacks going.

While Changelings do have wings, they'd need to be different from Pegasi, as you said. The only thought I came up with for this was that they'd be able to hover, but not gain height.

Edit: Thinking on the hovering, unless they hover at a decent speed, they'd end up being the slowest moving playables. Unicorns have their teleports, Earthies their passive speed, and Pegasi their flight. I'll have to think on mobility some more.
« Last Edit: 2016 Nov 14, 11:01:49 by DarkSpectre »


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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #4 on: 2016 Nov 14, 14:06:57 »
@DarkSpectre Ohh, you just gave me a great idea. Thank you!  ovO

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #5 on: 2016 Nov 14, 14:36:58 »
You are welcome! Always happy to give ideas.  ^-^


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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #6 on: 2016 Nov 15, 16:21:45 »
I would love Griffins! Dragons might be a bit of a stretch though, although I do love them.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #7 on: 2016 Nov 16, 04:49:08 »
Way I see it, I can imagine Changelings to be part of a "Hybrid" type of playable race along with griffins and zebras.
Perhaps this table will best explain it. Gameplay speaking, If Earth Ponies average skills were "Power", Unicorns average skills were "Magic" and pegasi average skills were "Flight" then this is what we can have:

PowerMagicFlight
PowerEarth PoniesZebrasGriffins
MagicZebrasUnicornsChangelings
FlightGriffinsChangelingsPegasi

Changelings can be the magic/flight "rogue" class. Their magic cannot be used offensively but can learn spells of invisibility, disguising, illusions and trickery. Perhaps even able to syphon off ⧫ from opponents.

Zebras can be the power/magic "alchemy" class. They are able to draw out the magical effects of plants as well as brew potions that have effects just as powerful as spells. They can can throw potion bottles around in combat.

Griffins can be the flight/power "paladin" class. While not as strong as earth ponies or as agile in flight as pegasi, their combined strengths make them ideal tanks and can perhaps pull and attract mobs for teams to deal with better.

At least, thats how I can imagine other, non-pony races could be playabe. And MLP:FiM griffin Gabby does (sort of) proove a griffin can have a cutie mark, or at least wear an emblem that best reprepsent themselves.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #8 on: 2016 Nov 16, 20:16:41 »
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I'm not going to suggest a species, but only a part of a species. Somepony's oc(like mine, but for SOME REASON, I CANT GET MY OCS PIC FOR MY AVATAR?!?!) have griffon like tails. Also, the ponys in the game should also have the ability of there cutiemark. Say for example, the ponys cutiemark(mine) had half of a fire ball, and half of a water droplet. So, her powers will be fire and water powers. You don't have to add the power part, I mean, I don't play the game(mostly because I'm on mobile). But at least add the griffon tail. Also, thank lightning bliss that I'm here, otherwise, you would(maybe) never hear of Aqua Fire(the name of my oc)! I really like this! I wish there was an app for this, or at least a way that I could play this besides on forums, messages, and chat. I just relized this reply is very long. Ok, maybe not to long.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #9 on: 2016 Nov 22, 16:02:26 »
But how do you guys feel about my suggestion about how each species is unlocked?
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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #10 on: 2016 Nov 22, 16:42:41 »
I like your idea, but maybe instead of an event, how about a quest? You would have to go to a very hard to reach place, where only a certain type of pony(unicorn, Pegasus, earth pony, etc.) can reach. In that area, you will be met with a very powerful pony(Zecora, Discord {maybe}, Thorax{also maybe}, etc.), who could make a species that is related to the area your in(Ex. Griffon=Griffinstone, Dragon=Volcano, Changeling=Everfree Forest or The changeling hive, etc.). Then, you do a quest, and when you complete it, you will get the species you wanted. Of course, you either pay bits to do the quest, or have the quest be very difficult, for you are getting something that will change you. My oc is an earth pony with fire and water powers, so I don't need to do that. But, I would love to either try to be a dragon, a griffon, or a changeling. An event does sound very cool, but I'm not sure build up quests would be able to cut it. And besides, the creators will have to think of how events will work out. A quest will always be available(I think), and you will get a great reward for your hard work.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #11 on: 2016 Nov 27, 07:55:34 »
what about my idea for changelings, zebras and griffins being hybrid classes? I figure if Team LoE likes the idea the beta gameplay and stats can be roughly half of the pony-type stats.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #12 on: 2016 Nov 27, 08:54:38 »
I like your hybrid classes idea, too!

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I'm just wondering, when the changlings change, will they be able to have the pony's power or ability? If a changling changed to a Pegasus, will they fly, and not hover? If they changed into a unicorn, could they do magic, and teleport? If they changed into an earth pony, will they be fast?
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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #13 on: 2016 Nov 27, 09:20:32 »
Changelings seem a little bit more reasonable. I don't think alot of people will play as them if you have them have a slow energy regen and the only way to get energy is by love. I think this would be a very good idea to add in the game.

Zebras seem like a very good idea, but I have no real opinions about it because there are not many zebras known in the shows.

Griffins are a 100% yes along with Changelings. I don't know if they'll seem like a copy of pegasi cause they can fly also, but they aren't exactly ponies. Griffins are one of my favorite non pony species.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #14 on: 2016 Nov 27, 15:13:29 »
I like your hybrid classes idea, too!

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I'm just wondering, when the changlings change, will they be able to have the pony's power or ability? If a changling changed to a Pegasus, will they fly, and not hover? If they changed into a unicorn, could they do magic, and teleport? If they changed into an earth pony, will they be fast?
I figure just be able to take the form and that use of abilities will break the disguise shifting them to default form. However as I can imagine changelings as a magic/flight hybrid class they could perhaps use lesser actions shared with unicorns and pegasi without breaking disguise. Logically a changeling disguised a sa pegasus could still fly without breaking disguise, just can only fly as well as a changeling can do.

Disguise can perhaps work when a player or an enemy monster is selected and the "Disguise" action is used, the Changeling's character model will be replaced with a copy of the monster/pony. Disguising as another player could perhaps have some PvP uses but would perhaps be merely a novelty.
As for disgusing as a monster then other monsters related to the disguise will not be hostile towards te changeling.

I don't know what LoE gameplay programmers have in mind for statistics, balances and abilities but I figure Changelings can be an "infiltration", "rogue" or "spy" race, with stealth, invisibility and various illusions for use in combat or infiltration. Yes as a magic.flight hybrid race they can do magic and fly but no actual unicorn spells or pegasi abilities that grant them physical strength or defence, changeling spells should rely on deception.

For example an advance Changeling ability could be the power to project a solid hologram that monsters will target which can be useful for drawing enemy attacks from yourself or your party.

Also, on the subjects of the possibility of changelings in LoE, I mean the original Chrysalis reign Changelings because them changelings have both horns and wings that make them ideal for being a magic/flight hybrid class while the "Changedlings" have actually lost their horns, wings or both when they permanantly transformed.
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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #15 on: 2016 Nov 27, 18:32:40 »
I think, if your a changling, you can't change into a monster so it won't attack you. The monster should know that you aren't one of them.

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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #16 on: 2016 Nov 27, 20:21:14 »
I like your hybrid classes idea, too!

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I'm just wondering, when the changlings change, will they be able to have the pony's power or ability? If a changling changed to a Pegasus, will they fly, and not hover? If they changed into a unicorn, could they do magic, and teleport? If they changed into an earth pony, will they be fast?

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I don't think alot of people will play as them if you have them have a slow energy regen and the only way to get energy is by love. I think this would be a very good idea to add in the game.

@CuddlySylvy I'm not sure if you're complimenting the low energy regen or saying it's a bad idea.  o.O

To address both your points, there's some important things to consider if changelings were to be added in. The first of these is making them unique enough that they can stand on their own without cramping the style of the other races. Make them too versatile and from a purely functional standpoint nobody would want to play the base races, because why do so if you have another race that can do things from all three?

The second thing is from a balancing standpoint. The slow energy regen is a counter to the draining of energy. If the draining ability were sufficiently powerful AND changelings had normal regen, they'd have a higher damage output than other races from the number of launched attacks alone. They might not even ever run out, in such a case. It also makes it such that disguising as a monster is viable to avoid attack, if you can spare the energy. Chances are though, as pointed out by @Epic Mount , disguising would likely be a mostly novelty thing. If Earth Ponies are the tanks and Unicorns and Pegasi are the healers/damages, then Changelings would likely serve as one of those damage mitigation/avoidance things with illusions and deception, to make healer and tank jobs easier.

In any case, this discussion itself is like concept stuff, some of the very first ideas. There's plenty of time to sand out the rough points before it becomes an actual thing, if ever. Great to see y'all discussing this stuff! :3


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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #17 on: 2016 Nov 28, 07:11:45 »
I think, if your a changling, you can't change into a monster so it won't attack you. The monster should know that you aren't one of them.
If the monster is a higher level than you then sure. But in LoE current state I can't really imagine much use for changelings disguising themselves as ponies or other players other than minor trolling. (Honestly, I like that novelty idea of changeling players disguising themselves as other players and borrowing their names above their heads just to confuse people. As long as they can't fully pass themselves off as them, like in chats or whatever.)

Changelings able to become invisible or copy the apperance of certian monsters would be able to pass mobs that are normally hostile.

@Chances are though, as pointed out by @Epic Mount , disguising would likely be a mostly novelty thing. If Earth Ponies are the tanks and Unicorns and Pegasi are the healers/damages, then Changelings would likely serve as one of those damage mitigation/avoidance things with illusions and deception, to make healer and tank jobs easier.

In any case, this discussion itself is like concept stuff, some of the very first ideas. There's plenty of time to sand out the rough points before it becomes an actual thing, if ever. Great to see y'all discussing this stuff! :3
I figure Griffins would be more ideal as tanks over Earth Ponies given they could be earth/fly hybrid.

Playing past betas I noticed pegasi players picked up on pulling monsters from flying just out of their attack range while using range attacks to keep them distracted. I figure what if Griffins specialis ein something along the lines of this making them ideal tanks?
Not as strong as earth ponies or fly as agile as pegasi, but their mix of limits could make them ideal tanks.

Zebras being earth/magic hybrid, instead of actual spells they use potions that make them both healers as well as status changing potions to hinder enemies or temporary buff allies. I can imagine them throwing bottles around and the splash radius causing area effects.

Changelings being magic/fly hybrid I admit do find it hard to imagine practical use for disguising. Which is why I suggest to expand changelings abilities to be able to pull off things like stealth/invisibility, illusions, shadow clones and other various tricks and deceptions. Since PvP in LoE is extremely limited I don't think these abilities would be useful against each other other than minor trolling, but as for practical gameplay use for changelings abilities I figure it could be around helping the player or groups get to places normally difficult to access, such as changelings can disguise themselves as monsters in order to make mobs they're copying less hostile towards them. Or if a  monsters appearance is too complicated for a changeling to copy (like a full size dragon) then invisibility could be a back up ability to pass through dangerous mobs.

At the moment, can't imagine much use for changelings. And I just realised that the ability to slip past mobs is kinda useless to a species that can fly so I admit haven't thought it all through for changelings. But if Equestion will expand and have dangerous and challenging places where ponies can't read lightly, I imagine changelings will be more welcomed to play.
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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #18 on: 2016 Dec 02, 14:46:37 »
Griffon or changeling...?!?!
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Re: New Species For Legends Of Equestria
« Reply #19 on: 2016 Dec 06, 19:21:05 »
In the meantime, I'll just be "in disguise".
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