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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 12, 19:20:03

@night pony...I couldn't say that love and friendship are opposites. Friendship is a form of love. But it is an interesting idea. If we say twilight represents selfless love for friends/family Ethos and Cadence is the embodiment of Eros, which is the somewhat more intense, I love you as I love myself connection between lovers and spouses.

In that respect Cadence is the pony of dark, Since Eros needs an infusion of agape or enduring love to not warp into something perverse. Shining armor might be Agape(?) and the way him and Cadence work together makes them very pure and strong.

Ethos is the basic love any relationship is based off of and its friendship in its purest form, It's even to go so far as to selflessly love your enemies  so since twilight is the embodiment of the magic of friendship she has to be the pony of light.

philosophy in ponies...gotta love it

I guess these descriptions fits better Cadence as Ethos and Chrysallis as Eros, as Chrysallis desires the love so much that she tried to get it forcefully, while Cadence, in the "Crystal Heart Spell" book, is said to have converted a witch into somepony good with her love.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Season 4 Discussion

2014 Jan 12, 19:07:36

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I also loved this episode! Pinkie stole the scene for me, the way she was just.... Pinkie Pie, I guess, through the whole episode made me laugh from beginning to ending. Also, the song was really catchy, but I got a little disappointed Big Mac didn't got a line.

Also, Digibrony mentioned it in his last video and I find it really interesting: Has anyone noticed how Goldie Delicious had some similarities with Pinkie? The curly hair, the way she can pick a book from the bottom of the pile without it falling, like Pinkie with the scrolls, and such? Maybe it was a subliminal way to say that Pinkie is, indeed, related to the Apples.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 08, 18:11:57

I just like to debate. It's really amusing to see how others are thinking about the matter, to complete what you've thought with things you might have missed and spot any flaw your idea might have, to make a more solid idea. Even if a conclusion isn't reached, both parts open their minds to new possible conclusions.

It was a nice debate here, and I hope we can keep it going as we get more information about this matter. And even discuss about other things in the near future, too.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 08, 17:45:43

Yep, I'm pretty aware of that. But until that moment comes, the moment where something is made canon, we can only assume what is most probable or even what we would like it to be. If there is still a chance for it to be true, than why not? It's fun to disscuss the possibilities either way.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 08, 17:34:23

I said Alicorns are made leaders, but I've never said only Alicorns could be leader. What makes sense if Alicorns are rare and unique. There are less Alicorns than countries and empires to be ruled.

Do you have anything to support those claims?

No, I don't. It's a possible conclusion based on my previous assumptions, and all arguments that support this possibility are in my past posts. Sorry if it sounded like I was stating a fact.

It is possible indeed for more Alicorns to exist, or even be common, but I don't think that, if they were that common, the show wouldn't give such emphasis to Twilight's alicornization and place the only ones known in the most important positions in Equestria. I think the show is trying to make it pretty clear, even if still not a fact, that Alicorns are rare, unique and special. Well, at least they were until the end of the season four premier.

Or they were giving emphasis that she grew as a character and such rather than sprouting wings. The rest is just your opinion and headcannon.

And so they decided to make her an Alicorn to give emphasis to her character growth. So, instead of trying to make it clear that Alicorns are rare and unique, they already assumed it was clear. Otherwise, her transformation could be taken as just an everyday thing in Equestria, what would actually take a lot of the emphasis rather than giving.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 08, 15:23:34

I said Alicorns are made leaders, but I've never said only Alicorns could be leader. What makes sense if Alicorns are rare and unique. There are less Alicorns than countries and empires to be ruled.

It is possible indeed for more Alicorns to exist, or even be common, but I don't think that, if they were that common, the show wouldn't give such emphasis to Twilight's alicornization and place the only ones known in the most important positions in Equestria. I think the show is trying to make it pretty clear, even if still not a fact, that Alicorns are rare, unique and special. Well, at least they were until the end of the season four premier.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 08, 14:52:05

The reaction of the ponies or the lack of one towards alicorns disproves your theory. If they are such why are they treating her like a normal pony?  => Alicorns are not so unique and rare as we claim them to be.

Alicorns are as unique and rare as we claim them to be. Otherwise more should be known by now. From what was shown in the season three finale and the Crystal Heart Spell book, you need to do something really special to become an Alicorn. And if they weren't as unique and rare, the writers wouldn't place the only ones known in the highest positions possible. That's another reason Twilight's alicornization seems to be only to sell toys, because she is the only alicorn that doesn't cause any reaction in the overall public. It's like they don't even notice her wings.

Plus Cadence is also recent alicorn and Twilight should not be needed to be made as an example.

Twilight isn't an example. She is someone who achieved the greatest achievement a pony could achieve and received the highest status a pony can have as a reward.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: What method does celestia and Luna use to raise the sun and moon

2014 Jan 08, 14:38:54

I think you really said just everything I couldn't really put in words, Dawnstar. Even after trying for a while, I can't find anything to add to your list. We know too little to make a real conclusion, but you summarized really well what we do know. Beyond that, everything is just theories and hypotheses.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 08, 14:29:25

But if they didn't need another princess then her entire coronation was just for show and completely pointless. Why make a new princess when it's not needed?  Is she a backup? A spare tire that is to be used only when one of the main ones blow out? 

Because she became an Alicorn. As I've said in my theory, an Alicorn is a being considered to be wise and powerful, and because of that, they are made into leaders. Celestia probably organized Twilight's coronation to show the world that another Alicorn has appeared, to show the world that Twilight is now equal to her and the other two Alicorn princesses. But because Celestia hasn't prepared anything for Twilight yet, she is currently on hold, so you could call her a backup, but I'd rather consider her a new support, who will be put in an important position in the actual government of Equestria or given something to rule soon.

She shouldn't need to ask. Celestia should've ordered the restoration rather than telling Twilight to restore the castle.
Didn't she in Equestria girls got used to her new title and role of a leader?  Then the question is why did she accept the princess status if she wasn't going to use it and doesn't like it? Because her teacher wanted it? She could've easily refused to become a princess and continue her life as it was.

I don't think she doesn't want it, but it took her by surprise. She wasn't ready to take such a responsibility so soon in her life.

Becoming a leader isn't about what you would like to do but what you need to do. Maybe Twilight prefers to do things on her own but it would be best for the entire country if she focused on more important tasks and not cleaning rubble.

As I've said, she is currently on hold while Celestia and Luna prepare her new position and she ready herself to assume it. Meanwhile, there is no problem in occupying her time with activities with her friends, the ones she will miss more after assuming the responsibilities of a leader.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Season 4 Discussion

2014 Jan 06, 16:33:39

Now we need a Princess Twilight episode and a Pinkie Pie episode.

OBJECTION! {present->evidence-> S4 opener}
if that doesn't qualify as a Twilight episode, I don't know what does.

I felt that was na episode that surrounded the mane 6 rather than Twilight alone. But yea, it could be considered as such.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 06, 15:51:32

I think we are seeing things a little different here. In my point of view, she hasn't been made an Alicorn to become a princess, but she became a princess because she turned into an Alicorn. I think the alicornization was something Twilight achieved on her own after acquiring enough knowledge, power and, mainly, wisdom. Because being an Alicorn is recognized as being wiser and more powerful, they are made leaders. That's why only by being an Alicorn should be reason enough for her to be more respected in society, even if ponies don't know about her coronation.
So, right now, she has the status of a princess, but because it wasn't something prepared, even if Celestia probably was sure it was going to happen, they actually don't need another princess. Everything is in complete control, and Twilight can live her life normally as she chose to. But that is something that must be only temporary, until Celestia organize her stuff and find a place to put Twilight in the political world of Equestria, and that's what I'm waiting for.
Probably Twilight doesn't have any carriage to take her to places and servants to do things for her just because she doesn't want to. She'd rather fix the castle by herself and with her friends than ask others to do so.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 05, 08:45:22

About Cadence ageing, it could fit the trope Immortality Begins At Twenty. Besides, her ageing and growth seems different from normal ponies, as she is different than other ponies. It could be that she hasn't aged, but her body gradatively changed with the alicornization, something that can still happen with the new Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle.

And yes, Twilight is different from Celestia in society, and as I've said, it's something that annoys me. As said by Digibrony in his last video, Twilight princesshood couldn't be more ignored than citiziens denying her a cab ride in Manehattan. She isn't doing anything as a princess to the point where we can even forget she is a princess until we notice she has wings. But even if she isn't equal to Celestia in the society's point of view, it doesn't mean she doesn't have the same potential Celestia has as an Alicorn. But that is something the writers need to remember while writing the episodes: Twilight is now a Princess, and even if she is the same pony inside and for her friends, somethings need to be different. With greater power comes greater responsibility, and with princesshood comes greater fame, visibility, respect, admiration and so on.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 05, 07:54:28

Please, do not claim something as the truth if it hasn't been directly stated in the show or by the writers. We don't know if Celestia and Luna were made or born as Alicorns, so we must accept all possibilities. Of course, there are the most probable ones and the ones each want to be the real, but until they state it in the show, none of them can be claimed as the truth.

Yes, it is a show to advertise toys, what it was always been, but it hasn't kept the show to work with this concept and make it awesome, and I do believe they can make something forced on them to sell more toys as something awesome. It's not just a show for little girls, it's show for all ages and genders, and that's why all ages and genders like it.

And finally, outliving others is a consequence of immortality, yes. It is the main conflict an immortal being needs to overcome, and what many may consider the curse of being immortal. But as someone who really enjoy the concept of immortality, I think it would be more interesting than creating a division between immortal Alicorns and mortal Alicorns. And I don't really think the show will stretch so far to show the end of the Mane 6's lifes and the future of Equestria, it's probably just going to end with an "...and they lived happly ever after", and maybe the immortality of Twilight Sparkle won't even be an issue mentioned in the show, so it's probably only going to stay in headcanons, and all Alicorns being immortal is going to be mine until proven wrong by the show.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 05, 05:25:02

Well, I'm waiting for their explanation to why Celestia and Luna are immortal and Twilight isn't, because to me it doesn't make sense. I don't like the idea of dividing the Alicorns into two types, the born alicorns and the made alicorns, just like Bronycurious said in the video.

And besides, saying that Twilight won't outlives her friends has actually two possible interpretations: Twilight is mortal or her friends will become immortal as well, what I think would be more interesting. I'm not saying I want them to become alicorns as well, but we don't know if that is the only way to immortality.

And another thing I don't like is exactly the fact that, after the premier, Twilight's alicornization and coronation have meant nothing so far. Even if the alicornization was really well done in the season three finale, if it means nothing after that, than it really looks like just something to sell more toys. I'm really expecting an episode a Twlight episode where her royal duties start.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 05, 04:42:03

Nothing says they didn't turn into Alicorns like Twilight and Cadence. I think it's more plausible than being born as Alicorns, as there is no biological explanation for them to have the characteristics of the three races of ponies. Besides, it would break the importance of Twilight's alicornization, as it represents the ascension of the student to a master status, and represents an actual equality between Twilight and Celestia, and consequently Luna and Cadence as well.

I think Bronycurious made pretty good points in this matter, what was responsible for most of my thoughts about it, so I'll let his video here:

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: What method does celestia and Luna use to raise the sun and moon

2014 Jan 05, 01:02:22

Isn't that what they do? All seasons and wheater are important to maintain life in the planet, that's why they have it. The only place capable of growing and surviving without pony interference is the Everfree Forest.

I don't believe they move the Sun and Moon through a levitation spell, but through something with different principles. I think the Sun and Moon are not only a giant ball of gas and big piece of rock flying in the space, but objects full of magic power. They could even be only concentrated mana to begin with, and what makes me believe this is the season 4 premier. When they both are in the sky, they aren't just illuminating the planet, but bringing day and night together. A spell to be able to interact with these specific objects, not a simple advanced levitation spell, might be the way to raise and lower them.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Cadance and Twilight as the new Celestia and Luna?

2014 Jan 05, 00:44:36

We don't know if Celestia and Luna were born Alicorns, even if that was Faust's intention, she also wanted both of them to be the only Alicorns of the show, and that's not what we have. It's a fact that Celestia and Luna had much more time to develop their magic skills than Cadence and Twilight, but I don't think they can't do it, as unicorns raised the sun and moon before Celestia and Luna appeared.

I don't think Cadence and Twilight will substitute Celestia and Luna, as I belive these two will last a lot longer until an apocalyptic event that changes everything known in the world of Equestria, that might or might not be shown in the show or just happen in the minds of the fans, but I do believe they could if needed.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Season 4 Discussion

2014 Jan 05, 00:35:25

I really loved this episode! As a Rarity fan, I really think this episode shows really well the dynamic between her and her element, and how she acts in front of this new challenge, something that never happened to her in Ponyville, that is

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having her Generosity being used and exploited against her.

Together with Flight to the Finish, this was the best episode of the season so far, and I really hope there are more of these coming.

We already have a CMC episode, a Rainbow Dash episode, a Spike episode, a Fluttershy and Applejack episode and a Rarity episode, besides the Mane 6 episodes. Now we need a Princess Twilight episode and a Pinkie Pie episode.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Season 4 Discussion

2014 Jan 03, 21:06:56

Pony in the shadows - can't believe how many theories people throw about.

Spoiler: show

I thought it was pretty obvious that it's Starswirl the Bearded, still alive via time spells or some other magic.

Also, theories/speculation I have based on Meghan McCarthy's tweets:

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She mentioned a character will make their singing debut this season. Also that they nearly broke Tabitha St Germain who was doing some crazy voice work for Rarity and "others." A lot of fuss about the best musical sequence they've ever done. And she seems pretty excited about the finale.

In conclusion, I'm hoping Luna will sing a song or two, probably in the finale. Maybe a duet with Celestia. Would be pretty awesome. 

I just hope 'Tia and Luna don't leave the show yet, since we've had no real exploration of their characters. But I have this sinking feeling they'll ascend to a higher plane of existence, or get absorbed back into the Tree of Harmony trading their own power in exchange for the contents of the box or something, leaving Twilight in charge of Equestria.

Hope that doesn't happen. 

Although everyone seems to assume it would be twilight who takes over if Celestia and Luna disappeared, but I think it would most likely be cadence who takes over, as she is older and more experienced! Twilight only took charge in the season opener because Cadence was away in the the crystal empire.

Well, Celestia and Luna are two ponies, so nothing says Twilight AND Cadence couldn't take over together if Celestia and Luna are gone.

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MLP: FiM SD Archive / Re: Season 4 Discussion

2013 Dec 29, 18:15:50

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I forgot to comment about it, but that's the third "foreshadowing" they do at the end of an episode... I don't know if that's just a recurring gag or something that will all come back together later on... And I really can relate the shadow of Nightmare Moon with Flutterbat.