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Title: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 06, 21:36:20
What things have you guys noticed in the show that wasn't really pointed out but gives another layer to the episode or situation when you think about it?

For example, in the pilot, the threat was that Nightmare Moon would make night last forever. If you think about it, you realize that plants need light to grow and live. What happens if all of the plants die from having no sunlight? Exactly.

The cider episode. The Apple family lives on their farm. If the FlimFlam brothers took their farm, they'd also be taking their home!
Spoiler: Cider episode 2 • show
I'm aware there has been debate about whether or not the cider was alcoholic. Horses eat rotten apples to get, erm, intoxicated. If you observe the episode, the ponies seem intent on keeping rotten apples out of their cider, meaning they wanted nonalcoholic. When the FlimFlam brothers cheated, they got rotten apples (and twigs) in the cider, probably resulting in alcoholic cider with a nasty dirty taste to it. Two reasons for the ponies to hate it.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 06, 21:53:13
If the changlings got away with taking over canterlot(probably spelled it wrong) we would see city after city fall to them and everypony would be cocooned to have their emotions sucked from them forever. 
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 06, 22:54:05
The whole show actually has a rather... dark(?) backstory to it.
God of chaos making lives miserable, huge plagues of all sorts, Eternal Night almost happened twice, many near deaths actually, Celestia is outright feared beyond all belief by many ponies, rarity was almost enslaved (actually she was successfully slaved for all of five minutes...), the sheer number of guards is actually rather scary, the fact that Equestria has gotten threats is also rather iffy...
And for all we know Equestria is in fact on a nuked up planet that managed to partially recover and is only being kept alive because Celestia and Luna can keep it in orbit.
((Fixed a very minor typo that completely changed the meaning of the last sentence.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 06, 22:59:56
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 06, 22:54:05
The whole show actually has a rather... dark(?) backstory to it.
God of chaos making lives miserable, huge plagues of all sorts, Eternal Night almost happened twice, many near deaths actually, Celestia is outright feared beyond all belief by many ponies, rarity was almost enslaved (actually she was successfully slaved for all of five minutes...), the sheer number of guards is actually rather scary, the fact that Equestria has gotten threats is also rather iffy...
And for all we know Equestria is in fact a nuked up planet that managed to partially recover and is only being kept alive because Celestia and Luna can keep it in orbit.

I think Equestria is actually a country, though. I've been thinking this even before the Hearthswarming Eve episode, which seems to have confirmed it, considering the ponies (depicted in the play) traveled from some other land to a better land and founded it as Equestria.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 06, 23:09:57
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 06, 22:59:56
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 06, 22:54:05
The whole show actually has a rather... dark(?) backstory to it.
God of chaos making lives miserable, huge plagues of all sorts, Eternal Night almost happened twice, many near deaths actually, Celestia is outright feared beyond all belief by many ponies, rarity was almost enslaved (actually she was successfully slaved for all of five minutes...), the sheer number of guards is actually rather scary, the fact that Equestria has gotten threats is also rather iffy...
And for all we know Equestria is in fact a nuked up planet that managed to partially recover and is only being kept alive because Celestia and Luna can keep it in orbit.

I think Equestria is actually a country, though. I've been thinking this even before the Hearthswarming Eve episode, which seems to have confirmed it, considering the ponies (depicted in the play) traveled from some other land to a better land and founded it as Equestria.

I meant to have an on there, between the fact and a. I'ma go fix it.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 06, 23:19:21
The farm was not part of the bargain.  It was the cider making business.  Sure, the cider keeps the farm up, but i never heard anything about betting the farm in a literal sense.

Also some fridge horror: *I* don't turn PONIES into stone! so Celestia, about that garden of pony statues...

Also: so i guess everypony in ponyville is a jerk at market unless stood up to?

Also: how does iron will know they were satisfied, and that his method didn't fail, causing doormats to pay anyways?

Also: it took THAT long to get that "no means no"!?

Also: apparentlies there are pennies in addition to bits.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 06, 23:22:46
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 06, 23:19:21
The farm was not part of the bargain.  It was the cider making business.  Sure, the cider keeps the farm up, but i never heard anything about betting the farm in a literal sense.


Yeah, I meant "took their farm" as in causing the Apples to lose their farm. X3 Should've been clearer there. Still, though, if the Apples lose their farm, they lose their home. :c
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 06, 23:33:46
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 06, 23:22:46
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 06, 23:19:21
The farm was not part of the bargain.  It was the cider making business.  Sure, the cider keeps the farm up, but i never heard anything about betting the farm in a literal sense.


Yeah, I meant "took their farm" as in causing the Apples to lose their farm. X3 Should've been clearer there. Still, though, if the Apples lose their farm, they lose their home. :c
i was also referring to the FFB's smehow assuming ownership of the property afer the contest.

Also: so if fluttershy had failed, Equestria would have starved?!

Also: wonderbolts fail at first response military.

Also: so the dragons stopped caring about the ruler of the sun?

Also: never mind, aparently the power to move the SUN ITSELF is easily defeated by an insect thing.

Also: maybe all those duplicated background ponies... Were CHANGELINGS?!

Also: so, what happens if surprisingly-vulnerable princesses were assassinated?

Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 07, 02:50:10
Cider is in no way an alchoholic drink its just apple juice now a days if its made in a brewery its somehow alchoholic I drink cider in real life.
Yes I am aware cider can be made alchoholic ,but how did they make it in the show?Mushed up apples the turned to juice its pretty much apple juice with different ingredients ,and rotten apples ,and twigs don't turn it into alcohol.

On topic:
Yes many episodes that face any types of danger are actually a threat to all life.
Dragonshy:If the dragons smoke continued it will block out the sun making no crops grow ,and nothing eating making no life on equestria.
The swarm of the century:If the parasprites continue to eat everything there will be no food for ponies at all everyone would starve while the parasprites make more of themselves which will also lead to a filled capacity of the land no matter how big equestria is if they werent stopped the parasprites would duplicate in a really fast time probably filling all of equestria in atleast a year tops.
There are many others ,but nopony would read this if I typed in every episode it happened in.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 02:59:47
So was the letter that got thrown into the lava pit from Twilight's brother explaining about the marriage?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 07, 03:06:02
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 02:59:47
So was the letter that got thrown into the lava pit from Twilight's brother explaining about the marriage?
Yes actually without that letter none of the ponies would have got to Canterlot Twilight wouldnt have been able to doubt princess Cadence she will continue uninterfered taking shining armours love for her power making her the strongest being in equestria ,and after what happened in the episode when she attacked i'm sure taking over equestria will be for the worse to all ponies they may probably be imprisoned or killed by the changelings.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 03:10:19
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 07, 03:06:02
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 02:59:47
So was the letter that got thrown into the lava pit from Twilight's brother explaining about the marriage?
Yes actually without that letter none of the ponies would have got to Canterlot Twilight wouldnt have been able to doubt princess Cadence she will continue uninterfered taking shining armours love for her power making her the strongest being in equestria ,and after what happened in the episode when she attacked i'm sure taking over equestria will be for the worse to all ponies they may probably be imprisoned or killed by the changelings.
Uh...is that speculation or canon? X3
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 07, 16:02:24
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 07, 02:50:10
Cider is in no way an alchoholic drink its just apple juice now a days if its made in a brewery its somehow alchoholic I drink cider in real life.
Yes I am aware cider can be made alchoholic ,but how did they make it in the show?Mushed up apples the turned to juice its pretty much apple juice with different ingredients ,and rotten apples ,and twigs don't turn it into alcohol.

Like I said, horses eat rotten apples to get drunk sometimes in real life. :l The ponies were intent on keeping rotten apples out of their cider. Therefore, what if apple cider with rotten apples in it becomes alcoholic in the Pony Universe?

After all, when an apple is left to rot, it can ferment. How is alcohol made? Fermentation. How is wine made? Often letting juice from grapes ferment.
'Tis why most schools don't serve grape juice. At least, not here anyway.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 18:16:31
i literally can't get the taste of bitter things out of my mouth for a while, and I hear alcohol is quite bitter.

anyways, on-topic:

so why exactly were ponies PULLING the train back in that one episode rather than using coal?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Tiger on 2012 Jun 07, 20:54:47
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 18:16:31
i literally can't get the taste of bitter things out of my mouth for a while, and I hear alcohol is quite bitter.

anyways, on-topic:

so why exactly were ponies PULLING the train back in that one episode rather than using coal?

They hadn't found coal yet ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 07, 22:15:43
they have electricity, so why do they use candles?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Lary on 2012 Jun 07, 22:28:30
(http://i.imgur.com/uOTvi.png)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 07, 22:34:14
Quote from: Lary on 2012 Jun 07, 22:28:30
Spoiler: show
(http://i.imgur.com/uOTvi.png)


Don't spoil the fun. =P
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 00:08:55
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 08, 01:11:34
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 00:08:55
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?

Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 01:21:47
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 08, 01:11:34
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 00:08:55
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?

Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Lol dovahpony

Well, it seems She breeds dragons.  She bred Spike, at least.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 08, 01:30:57
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 01:21:47
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 08, 01:11:34
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 00:08:55
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?

Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Lol dovahpony

Well, it seems She breeds dragons.  She bred Spike, at least.

I wonder if Spike was a lost or stolen egg. Also, it seems weird that Spike doesn't have wings while a lot of the other dragons we've seen have wings. Is he from another region or is he a misfit?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 01:33:34
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 08, 01:30:57
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 01:21:47
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 08, 01:11:34
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 00:08:55
oh, lary, lary lol

anyhow:

so, Dragon Scales are entirely thermally non-conducting and apparently cannot oxidize under any condition, and have an infinite melting point.  And yet they are removable with minimal pain.  And apparently removing a few isn't exactly harmful either.  So...

Why isn't the Royal Guard armored in it?

Because none of them are dovahpony? o_O Or it's just too dangerous to try to get scales from a dragon, considering they don't even respect Princess Celestia.
Lol dovahpony

Well, it seems She breeds dragons.  She bred Spike, at least.

I wonder if Spike was a lost or stolen egg. Also, it seems weird that Spike doesn't have wings while a lot of the other dragons we've seen have wings. Is he from another region or is he a misfit?
maybe both, or a different species.

I like the idea of interconnected generations, and i think of spike as a descendent of Kenbroth
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 08, 06:47:26
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 07, 16:02:24
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 07, 02:50:10
Cider is in no way an alchoholic drink its just apple juice now a days if its made in a brewery its somehow alchoholic I drink cider in real life.
Yes I am aware cider can be made alchoholic ,but how did they make it in the show?Mushed up apples the turned to juice its pretty much apple juice with different ingredients ,and rotten apples ,and twigs don't turn it into alcohol.

Like I said, horses eat rotten apples to get drunk sometimes in real life. :l The ponies were intent on keeping rotten apples out of their cider. Therefore, what if apple cider with rotten apples in it becomes alcoholic in the Pony Universe?

After all, when an apple is left to rot, it can ferment. How is alcohol made? Fermentation. How is wine made? Often letting juice from grapes ferment.
'Tis why most schools don't serve grape juice. At least, not here anyway.
I didn't know about horses getting drunk with rotten apples sorry I thought about the real alcoholic cider.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 11:37:14
So if glue is made from body parts and ponies use glue...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 08, 12:54:47
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 11:37:14
So if glue is made from body parts and ponies use glue...

You can make glue substances out of more than just animals.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 14:27:07
Apple pies and anvils?  If that's not just for show, then i greatly fear for the future of the Equestrian military should open war break out.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 08, 22:57:46
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 08, 14:27:07
Apple pies and anvils?  If that's not just for show, then i greatly fear for the future of the Equestrian military should open war break out.


Those are the most modern apple pies, they are 20% tastier than the last apple pies  ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 00:02:40
Y'all just realized that Equestrians are nudists.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 11:50:26
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 00:02:40
Y'all just realized that Equestrians are nudists.

I knew this a long time ago.
It actually makes perfect sense, they have tough hide and fur, so why would they need clothing? It developed to protect out bodies and keep them warm, something they don't need at all. It's more of a status thing than anything else.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 12:48:05
you are now aware that pegasi have SIX limbs. O:
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 13:39:06
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 12:48:05
you are now aware that pegasi have SIX limbs. O:

It was obvious!

The eyes of a pony are far too large, so where are all the eye injuries?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 09, 14:48:05
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 09, 13:39:06
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 12:48:05
you are now aware that pegasi have SIX limbs. O:

It was obvious!

The eyes of a pony are far too large, so where are all the eye injuries?

"Cross my heart and hope to cry, stick a cupcake in my-- AGH!!!"
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 17:02:28
How exactly do those orbs fit in that skull?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: lurk852 on 2012 Jun 09, 18:48:41
I can't remember where, but I've heard it said that the most unrealistic part of FiM is the lack of social stratification between the three races.  =P
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 18:53:46
Quote from: lurk852 on 2012 Jun 09, 18:48:41
I can't remember where, but I've heard it said that the most unrealistic part of FiM is the lack of social stratification between the three races.  =P
ah, but that's where overthinking it comes in! ovO

Spoiler: show
QuoteSolidarity is Illusion: The Political Economy of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
[Hey little 'uns - enjoy this guest post by Oscar Moralde! - Ed.]

The My Little Pony toy line has always been a flashpoint for debates on gender representation and consumerism, and its latest incarnation in the animated series My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is no exception. Kathleen Richter at the Ms. magazine blog mounted an attack on the show, calling it "homophobic" and "smart-shaming" - criticism that comes off as a bit incoherent because the show is neither of those things. Creator Lauren Faust, who previously worked on The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, writes in her rebuttal to Richter that in developing this series she wanted to show that:

Cartoons for girls don't have to be a puddle of smooshy, cutesy-wootsy, goody-two-shoeness. Girls like stories with real conflict; girls are smart enough to understand complex plots; girls aren't as easily frightened as everyone seems to think.

In that respect she has succeeded. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (hereafter referred to as MLP: FiM) is sharply written and gorgeously animated, and features positive role models in female characters who defy stereotypical gender roles. The show also teaches lessons about confidence, self-expression, and overcoming adversity.

But the strong feminist themes of the series are built on a foundation of political contradictions. The most fantastic element of the show is not that ponies can talk or that dragons exist; it is the illusion that an egalitarian society can be maintained among groups with massive biologically inherent gaps in ability and economic utility. By even the most cursory of sociological and economic analyses, the society in MLP: FiM should be highly stratified along class and racial lines. And there are clear signs of that stratification, except they are obscured by a propagandistic focus on the power of "friendship".



Now I know the question you all must be asking: "But don't the historical theories of capital accumulation presuppose a world defined by scarcity and industrial development?" Of course they do. The setting of MLP: FiM, a land called Equestria (and specifically the city of Ponyville), is populated by three types of ponies. There are the earth-ponies, the most mundane type which most closely resemble real ponies. There are pegasi, flying ponies that are able to manipulate the weather. And finally, there are the unicorns, horned ponies that have a wide portfolio of magic powers, including telekinesis, alchemical transformation, and teleportation. There are also other sapient species in Equestria, such as cows; the concept of one intelligent species keeping another for milking purposes is quite disturbing if interrogated closely enough.

One potential objection to an economic analysis of MLP: FiM is whether such analysis is even warranted. The economy of a fictional world may be abstracted without consequences in some stories; after all, any flow of capital in Harry Potter is insignificant in comparison to the existential battle between good and evil that is at the core of the story. However, many of the stories in MLP: FiM focus on the performance of economic tasks: crop harvesting, production of baked goods, and the maintenance of the town. Other episodes are about characters finding their roles in society. These kinds of stories rely on a plausible economic base to be meaningful.

In fact, most of the stories written by Faust and her staff, although ostensibly about the power of friendship, also happen to be about the allocation of scarce resources ("Ticket Master"), correcting inefficiencies in the organization of labor ("Winter Wrap-Up"), or averting famine in the city of Ponyville ("Swarm of the Century"). Several of the threats in the series--the prospect of eternal night, an infestation of locust-like pests, and a blanket of dragon's smoke over the town--are presented in the context of permanently crippling Ponyville's economic productivity. Unlike The Smurfs, which proposed a fantasy world centered on a collectivist community, Equestria has a market economy through which a wide variety of goods and services are bought and sold. And in this economy, there is an equivalent to industrial technology: unicorn magic.



Other stories which make use of magic in their settings usually have a caveat which prevents easily equating magic with industrial technology. Perhaps magical power is biologically tied to rare individuals, or is physically debilitating, or has effects that are dangerous and unpredictable, or is restricted by a higher power. Any of these caveats would make magic problematic as a source of increased economic efficiency. However, none of these applies to magic as presented by MLP: FiM.

For a case study, take the episode "Applebuck Season", which teaches the lesson that it's OK to ask others for help if you need it. On closer examination, there's an economic lacuna hidden in the premises and everyday workings of the episode. The story follows Applejack, an earth-pony, as she attempts to harvest her family's apple orchard by herself after her brother is injured. The process of apple harvesting is shown in very specific, step-by-step detail: Applejack walks to a tree, kicks it to knock the apples loose, collects them in an apple basket, and then walks to another tree and repeats the process.

However, at the end of the episode, Applejack accepts the help of Twilight Sparkle, a unicorn. In the final harvesting scene, Twilight Sparkle is shown using telekinetic magic to pluck hundreds of apples from dozens of trees simultaneously; then she floats all the apples across a great distance to their buckets. Combine this with her ability to teleport from place to place at will and the process is staggeringly more efficient than what a mundane earth-pony can achieve. Applejack's livelihood depends on selling these apples at market - she even claims in one episode that she needs to pay for her grandmother's hip replacement. So the question becomes: why hasn't she been run out of business? Any unicorn running an apple orchard would be able to harvest with a significantly lower investment of labor, and therefore be able to sell those apples at a discount far beyond what any earth-pony could hope to achieve.

The situation would be less problematic if this degree of ability were limited to Twilight Sparkle alone. However, unicorns as a race inherently possess some level of magical power. Twilight Sparkle may be in the upper echelons of ability, but Rarity, the other unicorn in the central cast, can telekinetically stop and redirect high velocity projectiles; she also transforms a tree branch into a series of perfectly manicured leaf sculptures with a single thought.

The pegasi can perform functions that the unicorns cannot, such as repositioning clouds to create rain or flying to guide migratory birds. But where does that leave your proletarian earth-pony? It certainly wouldn't be as co-equal participants in the economic life of Ponyville. There are rudimentary stabs at the development of mechanical technology by earth-ponies, as seen in the character of Pinkie Pie. In fact, Pinkie Pie is the best representation of the tension between the show's strong feminist themes and its questionable economic foundation; although she appears to be the ditzy party animal of the group, she also displays considerable skill in science and engineering. She devises a technical solution to Ponyville's infestation problems in a scenario where magic has failed, and in the episode "Griffon the Brush-Off" she channels Leonardo da Vinci and builds a flying machine in order to keep up with the pegasus Rainbow Dash. However, Pinkie's flying machine is smashed by a jealous griffon, showing that technology can be destroyed or expropriated more easily than innate magical ability can.



There is ample evidence that Equestria is already highly stratified, and the mantra of "friendship is magic" is nothing more than a mythic-religious creed designed to perpetuate false consciousness among the ponies. For confirmation, take a look at the professions of the main cast. The two earth-ponies work in agriculture and the service industry. Of the pegasi, Fluttershy can be classified as a naturalist and Rainbow Dash aspires to be a pro athlete.

In contrast, the two unicorns work in the professions that have the most cultural and political cachet. With the fashion designer Rarity, Faust does avoid portraying the mindless consumer typical in girls' cartoons; Rarity's character traits show that she is more than a clothes horse and has an engagement with the fashion industry "not as a shopaholic but as an artist." And as a business owner, she is certainly a figure to aspire towards. But how much of her success can be attributed to the fact that textile production and delicate piecework is much easier when you have magic at your disposal?

As for Twilight Sparkle--the protégé of the ruling monarch Princess Celestia--she seems to control the means of knowledge production in Ponyville. She has access to unfettered telecommunications through Spike, her dragon companion. She also lives in the town library; how many books in that library were written by unicorns as opposed to the other pony races? (Not to mention the voices of griffons and dragons and cows, which are most likely also marginalized in the Equestrian narrative?) Whenever a non-magical pony tries to write, the image is comical at best; they must hold their implements awkwardly in their mouths. Unicorns, on the other hand, can easily manipulate and create texts using magical power. Twilight Sparkle drafts documents simply through the power of her mind.

With this inherent publishing bias in Equestria, how slanted is the historical narrative towards the unicorns? Small wonder that "Winter Wrap-Up", a story entirely about Twilight Sparkle's attempt to find her role in society, ends with her discovering that she is best suited for managing the laborers in Ponyville and succeeding at a task that the earth-pony mayor has been trying for years to accomplish. The episode's titular song also betrays Twilight Sparkle's bourgeois anxiety at the fact that her magic (and thus her economic advantage) is restricted in this single situation by social convention.



The fact that Equestria is governed by a monarch that is also the creator-goddess of the world is the real capstone of Equestria's thinly-veiled social stratification. Princess Celestia possesses the horn of the unicorn and the wings of the pegasus. However, since pegasus and unicorn have all the physical characteristics earth-ponies have, the earth-ponies' representation in the embodiment of their own deity can only be assumed; it's a virtual presence at best. Do earth-ponies experience body dysmorphia when they realize they don't have horns or wings like their princess-creator and the other races of Equestria? If your society is governed a literal god-empress, the focus on "friendship" may be nothing more than an attempt to suppress racial consciousness and dissent.

And in fact, perhaps Ponyville can be seen as a site of resistance for earth-pony culture; the prohibition against magic during Winter Wrap-Up is a gesture, however token, against the complete dominance of their goddess's magic in their daily lives. A stronger and more visible sign of dissent is sadly improbable in Equestria; the difficulties of overthrowing a ruler who literally controls the movement of the sun would prove daunting to even the staunchest revolutionary. Unless, of course, Pinkie Pie were to construct a machine that replicates this function...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 09, 19:13:06
I read the 1st paragraph and then gave up... It's a cartoon, I don't want to think to deeply about it. It's an innocent program and thats why I like it. :P

Lets be honest, most males in cartoons end up acting like idiots, amazingly... Maybe I haven't watched that many cartoons, but females seem to be the only ones who can pull it off without seeming stupid. :P Or maybe its just MLP isn't a stupid cartoon and everything else is? :D
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 19:16:33
Quote from: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 09, 19:13:06
I read the 1st paragraph and then gave up... It's a cartoon, I don't want to think to deeply about it. It's an innocent program and thats why I like it. :P

Lets be honest, most males in cartoons end up acting like idiots, amazingly... Maybe I haven't watched that many cartoons, but females seem to be the only ones who can pull it off without seeming stupid. :P Or maybe its just MLP isn't a stupid cartoon and everything else is? :D
There's stuff in there about reverse sexism, racism, elitism, unicorn supremacy, etc, etc. lol
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: lurk852 on 2012 Jun 09, 19:30:48
I only skimmed it, but just seeing how long it was made me laugh out loud x3 I can see how it could be fun to write something like that.

That's no more overthinking it than the rest of this thread, but that's okay.  :P
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 19:46:01
if you look at the hats/crowns that the pony leaders wore at the Three Tribes, you'll notice they're each threatening each other.

"I have wealth, and you don't."

"I have swords, and you don't."

"I have FOOD, and YOU DON'T."
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 09, 19:50:20
And Fluttershy is actually extremely malevolent. This is what happens when people look into these things. :D
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 19:53:31
Rarity is a racist and an elitist :]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 09, 21:07:56
- Spike's animation is a bit awkward in winter wrap up song when he rides on Twilight, and he does "I dunno, lol" pony reaction in same scene.
- Changelings have look similar to ponies which means they're cursed or something like that, also we've 4 alicorns in two seasons, three princesses, one queen and royal family. I know Lauren told us there are no Celestia and Luna's parents, but seriously if there are some princes and princesses not directly connected to Celestia and Luna there is non-canon royal family line above(probably world creators).
- Zecora's quote in "Swarm of the century"
QuoteOh, monster of so little size. Is that a parasprite before my eyes?
reminds me Skrillex's "Scary monsters and nice sprites" song also Fluttershy has same hairstyle as Skrillex
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 21:23:59
Quote from: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 09, 21:07:56
- Spike's animation is a bit awkward in winter wrap up song when he rides on Twilight, and he does "I dunno, lol" pony reaction in same scene.
- Changelings have look similar to ponies which means they're cursed or something like that, also we've 4 alicorns in two seasons, three princesses, one queen and royal family. I know Lauren told us there are no Celestia and Luna's parents, but seriously if there are some princes and princesses not directly connected to Celestia and Luna there is non-canon royal family line above(probably world creators).
- Zecora's quote in "Swarm of the century"
QuoteOh, monster of so little size. Is that a parasprite before my eyes?
reminds me Skrillex's "Scary monsters and nice sprites" song also Fluttershy has same hairstyle as Skrillex
maybe... Changelings are corrupted flutterponies ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 09, 22:17:15
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 09, 21:23:59
Quote from: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 09, 21:07:56
- Spike's animation is a bit awkward in winter wrap up song when he rides on Twilight, and he does "I dunno, lol" pony reaction in same scene.
- Changelings have look similar to ponies which means they're cursed or something like that, also we've 4 alicorns in two seasons, three princesses, one queen and royal family. I know Lauren told us there are no Celestia and Luna's parents, but seriously if there are some princes and princesses not directly connected to Celestia and Luna there is non-canon royal family line above(probably world creators).
- Zecora's quote in "Swarm of the century"
QuoteOh, monster of so little size. Is that a parasprite before my eyes?
reminds me Skrillex's "Scary monsters and nice sprites" song also Fluttershy has same hairstyle as Skrillex
maybe... Changelings are corrupted flutterponies ovO

That's what I said somewhere else. lol Maybe they're like mutant flutterponies. Heehee.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 10, 16:18:18
Oh yeah and Cadance is malevolent too... Using magic to make people love you, honestly...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:00:10
and Luna was crying out of fear ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 10, 17:04:05
We were all crying out of fear..... wait what?

Clearly the ponies have tampered with the natural world too much, if they actually need to 'clean-up' winter, and Pegasi actually have to make it rain. Clearly promoting interference with the natural world.

Clearly.... actually... hmmm I repeat words a lot.

Oh and make the leaves fall in Autumn.... and take care of animals... what sort of sick world are they living in?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:14:25
Quote from: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 10, 17:04:05
We were all crying out of fear..... wait what?

Clearly the ponies have tampered with the natural world too much, if they actually need to 'clean-up' winter, and Pegasi actually have to make it rain. Clearly promoting interference with the natural world.

Clearly.... actually... hmmm I repeat words a lot.

Oh and make the leaves fall in Autumn.... and take care of animals... what sort of sick world are they living in?
MLP IS POSTAPOCALYPTIC EARTH ovO  ALL THEIR TOOLS ARE MADE FOR HUMANS AFTER ALL!!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 10, 17:26:10
Oh and to top it off, their sun and moon don't even move naturally, I mean.... what the chuff?

As is apparent in the VERY FIRST EPISODE! If one of the princesses gets in a bad mood, they can destroy the entire world.

So clouds don't move, the sun doesn't move, the moon doesn't move, seasons don't change, animals can't care for themselves, there is a large millitary presence (with weapons), there is a Pink Pony, theres at least 2 malevolent ponies out there pretending to be do-gooders, theres 2 ponies who, at anytime, can decide to end the world, It's just all too much!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:34:01
Quote from: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 10, 17:26:10
Oh and to top it off, their sun and moon don't even move naturally, I mean.... what the chuff?

As is apparent in the VERY FIRST EPISODE! If one of the princesses gets in a bad mood, they can destroy the entire world.

So clouds don't move, the sun doesn't move, the moon doesn't move, seasons don't change, animals can't care for themselves, there is a large millitary presence (with weapons), there is a Pink Pony, theres at least 2 malevolent ponies out there pretending to be do-gooders, theres 2 ponies who, at anytime, can decide to end the world, It's just all too much!
except for the Forest Forever Free :]  I always use it as a nice "retreat" area for when the system starts to break down.  The one constant, where everything controls itself...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 10, 17:45:58
Or perhaps like the episode says 'It was whipped up by a prince a long time ago'.

Oh I'm sorry, did I just kill your fun.  >.<
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:53:33
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*

But what motive would she have? o.O For Discord, if the prince and princess are distracted, he can do whatever he wants without them trying to order retaliation. For the changelings, intense love like that would be like a gourmet meal.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:58:17
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:53:33
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*

But what motive would she have? o.O For Discord, if the prince and princess are distracted, he can do whatever he wants without them trying to order retaliation. For the changelings, intense love like that would be like a gourmet meal.
no motive.  It's not MEANT to do what it does, it just so happens to.  Maybe her motive was very much the same as the CMC's.  She IS quite a young Alicorn, after all.  Not nearly as much experience as Celestia, or even Luna, from the looks of it.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 18:22:10
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:58:17
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:53:33
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*

But what motive would she have? o.O For Discord, if the prince and princess are distracted, he can do whatever he wants without them trying to order retaliation. For the changelings, intense love like that would be like a gourmet meal.
no motive.  It's not MEANT to do what it does, it just so happens to.  Maybe her motive was very much the same as the CMC's.  She IS quite a young Alicorn, after all.  Not nearly as much experience as Celestia, or even Luna, from the looks of it.

Ah, I see. She was looking for her talent and accidentally invented a love poison instead of a love potion.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 18:26:19
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 18:22:10
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:58:17
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:53:33
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*

But what motive would she have? o.O For Discord, if the prince and princess are distracted, he can do whatever he wants without them trying to order retaliation. For the changelings, intense love like that would be like a gourmet meal.
no motive.  It's not MEANT to do what it does, it just so happens to.  Maybe her motive was very much the same as the CMC's.  She IS quite a young Alicorn, after all.  Not nearly as much experience as Celestia, or even Luna, from the looks of it.

Ah, I see. She was looking for her talent and accidentally invented a love poison instead of a love potion.
exactly!  she thinks she is the goddess of Love, but maybe it turns out she's actually the Goddess of Harmony?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 10, 19:09:52
I am really wondering about the everfree its pretty much the most mysterious place on the plant.
The clouds move by themselves ,and weather changes on its own the plants grow alone ,and its home to many monsters.Is there a barrier of magic allowing these things to happen?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 23:05:01
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 10, 19:09:52
I am really wondering about the everfree its pretty much the most mysterious place on the plant.
The clouds move by themselves ,and weather changes on its own the plants grow alone ,and its home to many monsters.Is there a barrier of magic allowing these things to happen?
perhaps it is a neutral zone where neither discord nor harmony can rule? The switzerland of magic?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 10, 23:25:16
There might be something corrupting the forest from the inside  :I
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 23:39:07
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 10, 23:25:16
There might be something corrupting the forest from the inside  :I
the remains of the Nightmare's armor, leeching into the castle ruins? The castle itself, with its dark history?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 11, 07:35:28
Maybe they don't do things by themselves there could be invisible spirits in the everfree. :I
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 11, 11:21:24
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 11, 07:35:28
Maybe they don't do things by themselves there could be invisible spirits in the everfree. :I
invisible pink unicorns? ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 11, 13:22:56
O.o

Perhaps Fluttershy secretly runs Everfree? She is malevolent after all.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 11, 13:50:30
Quote from: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 11, 13:22:56
O.o

Perhaps Fluttershy secretly runs Everfree? She is malevolent after all.


I'd rather say Zecora
Spoiler: show
[IMG]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4900/bdss.png[/img]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 11, 13:57:31
Quote from: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 11, 13:50:30
Quote from: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 11, 13:22:56
O.o

Perhaps Fluttershy secretly runs Everfree? She is malevolent after all.


I'd rather say Zecora
Spoiler: show
[IMG]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4900/bdss.png[/img]


That picture is brilliant B)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 11, 18:01:42
Everfree is the outside world, and Equestria is a sadistic experiment by Celestia ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Xeno Aura on 2012 Jun 11, 18:03:49
QuoteEverfree is the outside world, and Equestria is a sadistic experiment by Celestia ovO


+1, agree with this 100%
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 11, 18:17:42
Fluttershy had Earth Pony ancestry (since it was established that Earth Ponies can get pegasus foals)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Midnight Star on 2012 Jun 12, 15:35:58
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*


As I understood Cadence's power, she sparks love, rather than creating love.. Like, if two ponies already love each other (like the pony couple in Twilight's flashback, and Shining Armor and Cadence herself) but seem to argue or have just forgotten the affection, Cadence is able to "remind" them, in lack of better word.. Love in itself, is a very powerful force, just like friendship, so I don't think it can be created out of thin air, like the Heart and Hooves day ep. implied, with the less-than-usefull potion.. It created an obsession, rather than actual love..
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 12, 18:03:07
Quote from: Midnight Star on 2012 Jun 12, 15:35:58
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*


As I understood Cadence's power, she sparks love, rather than creating love.. Like, if two ponies already love each other (like the pony couple in Twilight's flashback, and Shining Armor and Cadence herself) but seem to argue or have just forgotten the affection, Cadence is able to "remind" them, in lack of better word.. Love in itself, is a very powerful force, just like friendship, so I don't think it can be created out of thin air, like the Heart and Hooves day ep. implied, with the less-than-usefull potion.. It created an obsession, rather than actual love..
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 18:26:19
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 18:22:10
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:58:17
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:53:33
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 17:39:05
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 10, 17:36:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 10, 16:08:23
so... did CANDACE invent the love poison?!

At first, I wondered if Discord invented the love poison so he could create more chaos, but now I wonder if the changelings invented it. Not sure why Cadence would invent it.
*heart* *pop* *ponies love each other*

But what motive would she have? o.O For Discord, if the prince and princess are distracted, he can do whatever he wants without them trying to order retaliation. For the changelings, intense love like that would be like a gourmet meal.
no motive.  It's not MEANT to do what it does, it just so happens to.  Maybe her motive was very much the same as the CMC's.  She IS quite a young Alicorn, after all.  Not nearly as much experience as Celestia, or even Luna, from the looks of it.

Ah, I see. She was looking for her talent and accidentally invented a love poison instead of a love potion.
exactly!  she thinks she is the goddess of Love, but maybe it turns out she's actually the Goddess of Harmony?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 08:35:05
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 11:24:31
the entire world is a hallucination of Twilight's, who is in a coma, and the Six are different parts of her subconscious ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 14, 11:26:40
everything is just a book read by diamonds dogs, the book is about how foolish how ponies can be.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 12:45:37
The world is just a strange magical picture show watched by two legged creatures called hyuumahnz ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 14:20:55
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 12:45:37
The world is just a strange magical picture show watched by two legged creatures called hyuumahnz ovO

Or what my characters from other rpg's say,

HUMON?!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 15:38:43
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 14:20:55
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 12:45:37
The world is just a strange magical picture show watched by two legged creatures called hyuumahnz ovO

Or what my characters from other rpg's say,

HUMON?!
the previous generations were ages of the world, and the technology being used was passed down from the humans, gnomes and witches of the first season!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 14, 17:42:52
they are all part of a imaginationery mind, but were created as an experiment to see how intelligent could develope. (and they are just inside an marble)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 22:00:14
Getting back to more traditional implications:

The reason the Apple family relied so much on Zap Apple profits this year? Discord ruined this year's crops.  Corn gone, fields tunneled, flooded with chocolate milk, swarming with pests, apples gone.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 22:04:59
Oh I know one,


If just one of the mane 6 didn't see or hear of the sonic rain boom, nightmare moon would've taken over all of Equestria
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Alesti on 2012 Jun 14, 22:33:16
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 11:24:31
the entire world is a hallucination of Twilight's, who is in a coma, and the Six are different parts of her subconscious ovO


I'd think if anyone would be hallucinating the whole thing, it'd be Pinkie Pie.  lol
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 23:03:22
Discord is still around, and is secretly controlling everything!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 15, 22:17:31
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 22:04:59
Oh I know one,


If just one of the mane 6 didn't see or hear of the sonic rain boom, nightmare moon would've taken over all of Equestria


The lack of sun would kill plants, therefore Equestria would die.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 23:03:22
Discord is still around, and is secretly controlling everything!


He is a necessary chaos.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 15, 22:56:52
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 15, 22:17:31
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 22:04:59
Oh I know one,


If just one of the mane 6 didn't see or hear of the sonic rain boom, nightmare moon would've taken over all of Equestria


The lack of sun would kill plants, therefore Equestria would die.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 23:03:22
Discord is still around, and is secretly controlling everything!


He is a necessary chaos.
there once were more alicorns and more draconequi.  Guess what happened to them. ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 16, 05:50:39
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 15, 22:56:52there once were more alicorns and more draconequi.  Guess what happened to them. ovO

One of them was probably transferred to challenging, we don't know anything about other lost alicorns
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 16, 07:29:37
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 15, 22:56:52
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 15, 22:17:31
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 22:04:59
Oh I know one,


If just one of the mane 6 didn't see or hear of the sonic rain boom, nightmare moon would've taken over all of Equestria


The lack of sun would kill plants, therefore Equestria would die.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 23:03:22
Discord is still around, and is secretly controlling everything!


He is a necessary chaos.
there once were more alicorns and more draconequi.  Guess what happened to them. ovO

it was a war that broke out and Discord, Luna and Celestia are the only survivers. but the alicorns won the war at the end and turned Discord into stone. and Luna and Celestia got declared princesses of Equestria since they won.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 16, 11:45:20
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 16, 07:29:37
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 15, 22:56:52
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 15, 22:17:31
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 22:04:59
Oh I know one,


If just one of the mane 6 didn't see or hear of the sonic rain boom, nightmare moon would've taken over all of Equestria


The lack of sun would kill plants, therefore Equestria would die.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 23:03:22
Discord is still around, and is secretly controlling everything!


He is a necessary chaos.
there once were more alicorns and more draconequi.  Guess what happened to them. ovO

it was a war that broke out and Discord, Luna and Celestia are the only survivers. but the alicorns won the war at the end and turned Discord into stone. and Luna and Celestia got declared princesses of Equestria since they won.
Actually, Discord won first and took over the world, causing suffering throughout the world and forcing Celestia and Luna to retreat to the Forest Forever-Free and build the Castle of the Royal Sisters while unicorns took refuge in the tunnels under Canterlot Mountain.  Then the two Sisters rose up and used the Elements of Harmony together to finally turn Discord to stone.  The world, however, was still decimated from the reign of Discord, and for a while there were only three clans, constantly at war.  This brought about an endless winter as their feuds fed the Windigoes.  Eventually, the starvation killed off almost all the combatant ponies, forcing the remaining few to ally with one another, inadvertently creating the Fires of Friendship.  By the time they could leave the caves to which they retreated, there weren't enough unicorns to raise the sun, and so they called upon Celestia and Luna to lead them.  The Sisters have been leading ever since.

how's THAT for backstory? ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 16, 11:47:28
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 16, 11:45:20
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 16, 07:29:37
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 15, 22:56:52
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 15, 22:17:31
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 14, 22:04:59
Oh I know one,


If just one of the mane 6 didn't see or hear of the sonic rain boom, nightmare moon would've taken over all of Equestria


The lack of sun would kill plants, therefore Equestria would die.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 14, 23:03:22
Discord is still around, and is secretly controlling everything!


He is a necessary chaos.
there once were more alicorns and more draconequi.  Guess what happened to them. ovO

it was a war that broke out and Discord, Luna and Celestia are the only survivers. but the alicorns won the war at the end and turned Discord into stone. and Luna and Celestia got declared princesses of Equestria since they won.
Actually, Discord won first and took over the world, causing suffering throughout the world and forcing Celestia and Luna to retreat to the Forest Forever-Free and build the Castle of the Royal Sisters while unicorns took refuge in the tunnels under Canterlot Mountain.  Then the two Sisters rose up and used the Elements of Harmony together to finally turn Discord to stone.  The world, however, was still decimated from the reign of Discord, and for a while there were only three clans, constantly at war.  This brought about an endless winter as their feuds fed the Windigoes.  Eventually, the starvation killed off almost all the combatant ponies, forcing the remaining few to ally with one another, inadvertently creating the Fires of Friendship.  By the time they could leave the caves to which they retreated, there weren't enough unicorns to raise the sun, and so they called upon Celestia and Luna to lead them.  The Sisters have been leading ever since.

how's THAT for backstory? ovO

i... just love it  o_o
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 16, 12:16:01
something awesome I read elsewhere:

They came from nowhere. At first I thought it was just a wind.
Or a new unicorn student flexing his magic muscle. Not of grand note.
However the tempo of the inequine howling had too distinct a pattern to it.
Then came the first time I saw them.
I believed them to be ghosts. Carrying their last memory of freezing to death.
But there was nothing equine of these spirits except their appearance.
Their cries will haunt my nightmares till the end of my days.

I don't know why they came to my settlement of all place. A few extra bright unicorns including myself.
But nothing of true meaning.

The first I saw them was an argument between two Earth ponies about charging the absurd prices they did to unicorns and pegasi to fellow Earth ponies.

I saw them again when an Earth pony riot broke when a mother unicorn was beaten to death and Pegasi swoop down to bring order in the most brutal of fashions. The storm became so horrid that the pegasi could not fly least their wings froze over, leaving them easier prey for the earth pony rioters. As her blood was left to freeze in the streets I noticed an Earth pony besides her with the same coloring as the foal in her forelegs. Mixed blood? Still I took pity on the small creature she held.

I only later realized the 'spirits' dispersed when I chose to take her foal as my own.

My town is isolated. Even rumor does not travel swift to and from here. I still fail to realize why they come here of all places.

My one colleague who would listen to me suggested they arrived on the shooting star several month previous. Such nonsense.

They came again, this time when a heated debate between two mages on whether Earth ponies had magic of their own. They were alone in the room when I left. When I came back, they were frozen solid, and those spirits were there, but quickly left. Their manner suggested indifference rather than fear.

Experimentation was needed. They haunt the very boarders of the town now. They are becoming less of a ghost story and more a cause for fear among my fellows and the earth pony workers and the pegasi enforcers.

An Earth screamed out at the top of his lungs that he wished all the unicorns and pegasi were dead before the pegasi descended on him. The ice storm had picked up again in minutes.

I have chosen not to inform Clover of her diluted blood. I see no reason why she need be burdened. In spite of her disability she has surpassed most of her peers. Incredible. I must review notes on other unicorns of diluted blood to see if this has happened before.

Spring. Summer. Autumn. It doesn't matter when, the ice storm comes repeatedly and more frequently.

The storm is not letting up this time and it grows progressive worse. The filly, Clover (I found the name on her blanket), was scared to leave the only home she's known, but I fear if I stay longer my research will be pointless and I might as well have not saved her from freezing to death in her mother's arms.

Shows of power are less and less effective at keeping the earth pony workers in line. And the other mages have turned paranoid of their own earth pony assistants and servers. I am thankful to have Clover.

'They scream 'freedom or death' others 'freedom and death to the horned and feathered monsters.' Their howls are joined by the creature. As if in a dream, many do not seem to notice their fellows being turned to prisoners of impossibly swift growing ice.

I took Clover and abandoned the mage refuge. I considered telling my fellows to do the same, but considering they were shouting 'defend our knowledge to the death and death to any who abandon their defense' I thought it more prudent to simply teleport away.

We had no pursuers. The regular merchants in the nearest towns have returned with tales of mounds of frozen corpses. And no sign of Them.'

Clover seems to have blocked out the memories of her life before coming to this new town with me. Perhaps she is better for it.

The unicorn king's court magician has died of old age and failed to train an apprentice. I need more resources for my research. I will not miss this chance. And should I pass on before my research is complete, I need to make sure Clover is in a position where she will be able to continue it.

I now have had time to think. The cold they produce. Are they spirits of winter? But would there not being spirits of spring, summer, and fall as well that should've driven them away? But I can still only think that winter is these spirits' natural state.

They seek out hatred, do they feed off it? Fighting as well? It is possible. Though it is hard to tell since I could not find one without the other anyway.

The intensity of the riots I see now looking over my own notes was directly related to the intensity of the storm. Does the amount of cold they produce relate directly to the amount of hate they feed off of? It also appears that the closer I became to Clover, the less I cared about her diluted blood, the more I became, not invisible, but less interesting I became to the creatures. This adds to my above theory.

It is in the wind they go. So I shall call them 'Windigos.'

-- Excerpts from the journal of Starswirl the Bearded
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Vick McBread on 2012 Jun 16, 13:40:06
We like is how Pinkie Pie is almost completely oblivious to insults even when said harshly HOWEVER! Then When you try to avoid her (for various reasons) She feels "Betrayed" and becomes "Ruthless."
Now, just for giggles We have the same propertys. We feel/are "Betrayed" We become "Ruthless." So We can really relate to Pinkie Pie HOWEVER Rainbow Dash is our favorite which is quite odd because if We met her in real life We'd most likely not like her for being arrogant. Odd, right. Has this happened to you?
Yes, yes We are bending the rules but it still fits in right We've read all your post and you all sound like George Carlin.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 16, 13:48:28
Quote from: Vick McBread on 2012 Jun 16, 13:40:06
We like is how Pinkie Pie is almost completely oblivious to insults even when said harshly HOWEVER! Then When you try to avoid her (for various reasons) She feels "Betrayed" and becomes "Ruthless."
Now, just for giggles We have the same propertys. We feel/are "Betrayed" We become "Ruthless." So We can really relate to Pinkie Pie HOWEVER Rainbow Dash is our favorite which is quite odd because if We met her in real life We'd most likely not like her for being arrogant. Odd, right. Has this happened to you?
Yes, yes We are bending the rules but it still fits in right We've read all your post and you all sound like George Carlin.
not sure if should report or not  :/

On-topic: Pinkie seems to have a split personality disorder of some sort, maybe the tiniest bit of autism, and quite a bit of ADHD.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Midnight Star on 2012 Jun 18, 09:11:34
Ponyvill hospital is also an institution for mentally ill patients!

in Read it and weep, Rainbow is chased by a security guard, a doctor, a nurse and.. a mentally ill patient? This blue pony, with a screw (get it?) as a cutiemark barks like a dog, and is afterwards told to "get back to the hospital!"

Conclusion? Ponies are well aware of insanity, and have institutions to treat(?) it... This is somewhat a reeeally creepy thought, since it's supposed to be a kids show  :I
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Tiger on 2012 Jun 18, 09:24:12
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 16, 13:48:28
On-topic: Pinkie seems to have a split personality disorder of some sort, maybe the tiniest bit of autism, and quite a bit of ADHD.

Autism? Those that have it are REALLY not social, unlike Pinkie  :/
I might be autistic, but probably not that much.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 12:27:23
Quote from: Tiger on 2012 Jun 18, 09:24:12
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 16, 13:48:28
On-topic: Pinkie seems to have a split personality disorder of some sort, maybe the tiniest bit of autism, and quite a bit of ADHD.

Autism? Those that have it are REALLY not social, unlike Pinkie  :/
I might be autistic, but probably not that much.
can't read social cues.  See cdd.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 20:07:00
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]

Vault-Tec technology, duh.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:16:09
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 20:07:00
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]

Vault-Tec technology, duh.
DO WANT!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:17:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:16:09
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 20:07:00
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]

Vault-Tec technology, duh.
DO WANT!
kinda do want :3
but i would really like to make magic all right! levitation, awesome.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:37:46
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:17:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:16:09
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 20:07:00
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]

Vault-Tec technology, duh.
DO WANT!
kinda do want :3
but i would really like to make magic all right! levitation, awesome.
telekinesis and teleporting, and being a PONY?  i'd live in a vault for the rest of my life for that :3
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:42:20
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:37:46
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:17:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:16:09
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 20:07:00
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]

Vault-Tec technology, duh.
DO WANT!
kinda do want :3
but i would really like to make magic all right! levitation, awesome.
telekinesis and teleporting, and being a PONY?  i'd live in a vault for the rest of my life for that :3
beign a pony? hmmm then i prefer living my normal life. and then im going to start monitoring you and make everything turned upside down ovO brilliant.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:45:09
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:42:20
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:37:46
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:17:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 20:16:09
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 20:07:00
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:04:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:57:15
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 19:54:51
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 19:47:57
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 18, 19:21:41
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 19:20:37
Equestria is a Vault-Tec Vault Experiment gone wrong, and in the center of the Everfree Forest is the way out to the surface of AMERICA.
Luna, Celestia, and Discord are the three Overseers, and the vault's purpose was to test how humans would react to being turned into ponies and stuck into a drastically different world, with no apparent way out.
Discuss the probability.


Makes me want to be a subject.
me2

and they seem cheerful enough.

as long as i wont suffer from experiments gone wrong ovO
oh, I mean within this particular experiment.  Equestria sure seems a fine vault to be in, and I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there.  Especially with MAGIC :D
i would like to know how the magic works atleast! :]

Vault-Tec technology, duh.
DO WANT!
kinda do want :3
but i would really like to make magic all right! levitation, awesome.
telekinesis and teleporting, and being a PONY?  i'd live in a vault for the rest of my life for that :3
beign a pony? hmmm then i prefer living my normal life. and then im going to start monitoring you and make everything turned upside down ovO brilliant.
Fallout Equestria?  as long as I'm in the same vault as LilPip I don't mind much.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:18:27
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
what about the aiiiiiiir? hmmmm? and food supple? if something terrible happend to the soil? or vermits?
what are you going to do then? ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:22:53
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:18:27
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
what about the aiiiiiiir? hmmmm? and food supple? if something terrible happend to the soil? or vermits?
what are you going to do then? ovO
um! study programming!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:25:31
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:22:53
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:18:27
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
what about the aiiiiiiir? hmmmm? and food supple? if something terrible happend to the soil? or vermits?
what are you going to do then? ovO
um! study programming!
you better be reeeeaaally carefull then. one mistake and i will be laughing. hard. ovO
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:27:37
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:25:31
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:22:53
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:18:27
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
what about the aiiiiiiir? hmmmm? and food supple? if something terrible happend to the soil? or vermits?
what are you going to do then? ovO
um! study programming!
you better be reeeeaaally carefull then. one mistake and i will be laughing. hard. ovO
if Lilpip could do it, I can too! [/idiotic optimism]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:30:47
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:27:37
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:25:31
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:22:53
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:18:27
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
what about the aiiiiiiir? hmmmm? and food supple? if something terrible happend to the soil? or vermits?
what are you going to do then? ovO
um! study programming!
you better be reeeeaaally carefull then. one mistake and i will be laughing. hard. ovO
if Lilpip could do it, I can too! [/idiotic optimism]
yeah, and she has done mistakes. except your mistakes is going to be more expensive compared to hers! :]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:31:39
I wonder if some pegasi are afraid of falling even the tiniest bit. I'd be one of those pegasi, and I think Fluttershy might be one too.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:38:43
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:30:47
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:27:37
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:25:31
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:22:53
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:18:27
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:13:25
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:11:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:08:39
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 20:50:05
naaaaah, you are going to be in a test stable. with a crusader mane frame with survival instincts and takes mesaure to maintain survival best as possible! ovO
nuuu >.<
well! i am controlling your world! so try and stop me :]
make very, very sure the water talisman stays in working condition x3
what about the aiiiiiiir? hmmmm? and food supple? if something terrible happend to the soil? or vermits?
what are you going to do then? ovO
um! study programming!
you better be reeeeaaally carefull then. one mistake and i will be laughing. hard. ovO
if Lilpip could do it, I can too! [/idiotic optimism]
yeah, and she has done mistakes. except your mistakes is going to be more expensive compared to hers! :]
oh dear >.<
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:31:39
I wonder if some pegasi are afraid of falling even the tiniest bit. I'd be one of those pegasi, and I think Fluttershy might be one too.
Ponies of one race can have foals of another race.

So... about pegasi...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:40:48
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:38:43
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:31:39
I wonder if some pegasi are afraid of falling even the tiniest bit. I'd be one of those pegasi, and I think Fluttershy might be one too.
Ponies of one race can have foals of another race.

So... about pegasi...

Pegasi born of earthponies are more prone to being bad at flying?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:42:08
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:40:48
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:38:43
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:31:39
I wonder if some pegasi are afraid of falling even the tiniest bit. I'd be one of those pegasi, and I think Fluttershy might be one too.
Ponies of one race can have foals of another race.

So... about pegasi...

Pegasi born of earthponies are more prone to being bad at flying?

hmm maybe more likley to be afraid of heights since they wont be born in clouds maybe? or not used to the hights if they are born on the ground. might be.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:49:29
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:42:08
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:40:48
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:38:43
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:31:39
I wonder if some pegasi are afraid of falling even the tiniest bit. I'd be one of those pegasi, and I think Fluttershy might be one too.
Ponies of one race can have foals of another race.

So... about pegasi...

Pegasi born of earthponies are more prone to being bad at flying?

hmm maybe more likley to be afraid of heights since they wont be born in clouds maybe? or not used to the hights if they are born on the ground. might be.
maybe that's what Fluttershy is :]  maybe her mother was... Posey?! O:
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:58:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:49:29
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 18, 21:42:08
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:40:48
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 21:38:43
Quote from: Chishio Kunrin on 2012 Jun 18, 21:31:39
I wonder if some pegasi are afraid of falling even the tiniest bit. I'd be one of those pegasi, and I think Fluttershy might be one too.
Ponies of one race can have foals of another race.

So... about pegasi...

Pegasi born of earthponies are more prone to being bad at flying?

hmm maybe more likley to be afraid of heights since they wont be born in clouds maybe? or not used to the hights if they are born on the ground. might be.
maybe that's what Fluttershy is :]  maybe her mother was... Posey?! O:

Lauren Faust's original art of Fluttershy:
Spoiler: show
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111202161322/mlp/images/7/7b/Lauren_Faust_Posey.jpg)

The original concepts for the mane six are truly interesting.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 18, 22:25:57
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)
lol oh my sides

Apparently Fluttershy is a sort of Fisher Queen with her cottage.  Just LOOK at how the entire environment changed within moments of her depression.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 19, 11:49:51
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)

Twilight just stomps on him*instantly dies*
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 19, 12:38:29
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 19, 11:49:51
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)

Twilight just stomps on him*instantly dies*
poor leeroy lol
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 19, 12:52:24
That's what I found before, but nopony was interested.
Spoiler: show
[IMG]http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/593/60673411.png[/img]

Just dragonborns lol

Sadly whole videos aren't fully synchronised, but if you play both at same time you will get this reference too.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 19, 13:36:57
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)


I feel sad for her. I hate humans. Attack whatever you do not believe.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 19, 16:18:45
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 19, 13:36:57
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)


I feel sad for her. I hate humans. Attack whatever you do not believe.
aye, humans are often so spiteful.  But they're not all bad.  Just mostly bad.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 19, 21:36:06
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 19, 16:18:45
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 19, 13:36:57
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)


I feel sad for her. I hate humans. Attack whatever you do not believe.
aye, humans are often so spiteful.  But they're not all bad.  Just mostly bad.
its our instincts! ovO we need food, we eat everything. soooo yeah!
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 00:22:52
Lol psychopathic humans
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: tigrean on 2012 Jun 20, 10:29:22
Quote from: snarfgsnor on 2012 Jun 19, 21:36:06
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 19, 16:18:45
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 19, 13:36:57
Quote from: Zygrograxgra on 2012 Jun 18, 22:04:48
You now have no idea about what the real heights of the ponies are due to cross-universe stuff probably being different.
(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/bd72864163fad44f8223569b2ef6f3d9/188025%20-%20artist%3Amini-deus%20filly%20giant%20leroy_jenkins%20twilight_sparkle%20WoW.jpg)


I feel sad for her. I hate humans. Attack whatever you do not believe.
aye, humans are often so spiteful.  But they're not all bad.  Just mostly bad.
its our instincts! ovO we need food, we eat everything. soooo yeah!


Twilight would win, she would just love and tolerate him and he would give up the fight because of her cute factor.  Which is all powerful lol
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 20, 10:37:59
Maybe he's a brony who just wants to give her a hug  ^-^
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 12:54:19
Implication: Equestria is currently at war now...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 20, 12:59:01
Quote from: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 20, 10:37:59
Maybe he's a brony who just wants to give her a hug  ^-^

He has a chicken leg in one hand ,and a knife in the other probably just feeding her  ^-^.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 19:26:49
implication: equestria's last "battle" was with pies and anvils.  no wonder they lost the changeling war so badly.  well, up until Chrysalis screwed herself over by putting Twilight and Cadance in the SAME CELL.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 21, 11:04:13
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 19:26:49
implication: equestria's last "battle" was with pies and anvils.  no wonder they lost the changeling war so badly.  well, up until Chrysalis screwed herself over by putting Twilight and Cadance in the SAME CELL.


Yeah... she screwed up. Also, if she had acted nice to Twilight, and it didn't have to be really-super-sweet, just friendly, then she could've took over Equestria.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 12:01:51
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 21, 11:04:13
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 19:26:49
implication: equestria's last "battle" was with pies and anvils.  no wonder they lost the changeling war so badly.  well, up until Chrysalis screwed herself over by putting Twilight and Cadance in the SAME CELL.


Yeah... she screwed up. Also, if she had acted nice to Twilight, and it didn't have to be really-super-sweet, just friendly, then she could've took over Equestria.
implication: celestia's kinda incompetent in defending her kingdom :\
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 21, 12:15:00
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 12:01:51
Quote from: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 21, 11:04:13
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 19:26:49
implication: equestria's last "battle" was with pies and anvils.  no wonder they lost the changeling war so badly.  well, up until Chrysalis screwed herself over by putting Twilight and Cadance in the SAME CELL.


Yeah... she screwed up. Also, if she had acted nice to Twilight, and it didn't have to be really-super-sweet, just friendly, then she could've took over Equestria.
implication: celestia's kinda incompetent in defending her kingdom :\


Yeah, she kinda is.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 12:38:29
Implication: the world of equestria is apparently filled with elitists and jerks, if sweet and elite and putting your hoof down is to be believed.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Crystal Chaos on 2012 Jun 21, 12:40:56
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 12:38:29
Implication: the world of equestria is apparently filled with elitists and jerks, if sweet and elite and putting your hoof down is to be believed.


They exist everywhere.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 12:43:17
Implication: apparently either cranky doodle donkey or one of his relatives runs a ferry business
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 21, 14:44:17
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 20, 19:26:49
implication: equestria's last "battle" was with pies and anvils.  no wonder they lost the changeling war so badly.  well, up until Chrysalis screwed herself over by putting Twilight and Cadance in the SAME CELL.


She should move them back to the caves below and fight against Celestia. She kept everypony on a surface and watched her changelings feeding while Twilight relased Cadence - that's why she lost.

Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 12:43:17
Implication: apparently either cranky doodle donkey or one of his relatives runs a ferry business


He only provided this service to Spike, it doesn't mean that he does it everyday(at least nopony said that nor he didn't this before).

Not sure if implication, but:
They're using three or more languages! English on "Welcome Princess Celest" banner, horsy-like writing(books in s1 ep1 and some more episodes) and swapped/mirrored/modified letters(ponyville confidental episode, newspaper letters)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:44:05
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:53:19
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:44:05
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)

Yet they are widely know as Alicorn.We have seen only two griffins in two seasons but you consider them as a race do you not?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:03:35
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:53:19
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:44:05
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)

Yet they are widely know as Alicorn.We have seen only two griffins in two seasons but you consider them as a race do you not?
only due to:

not being limited to royalty
not being completely overpowered and godlike
not being essentially worshiped by the local populace
acting as normal, everyday citizens.

creatures like Alicorns I consider less of a "race", or at least Mortal race, and more of "gods/demigods".  Celestia is the Mother Goddess, Embodiment of the Sun, and Luna is the Embodiment of the Moon.  Cadance was originally not supposed to be an alicorn, but since Hasbro ignored Faust I'll just call Her the Embodiment of Love.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:09:25
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:03:35
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:53:19
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:44:05
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)

Yet they are widely know as Alicorn.We have seen only two griffins in two seasons but you consider them as a race do you not?
only due to:

not being limited to royalty
not being completely overpowered and godlike
not being essentially worshiped by the local populace
acting as normal, everyday citizens.

creatures like Alicorns I consider less of a "race", or at least Mortal race, and more of "gods/demigods".  Celestia is the Mother Goddess, Embodiment of the Sun, and Luna is the Embodiment of the Moon.  Cadance was originally not supposed to be an alicorn, but since Hasbro ignored Faust I'll just call Her the Embodiment of Love.

So they are some mutated unicorns and not clasify as a race?
You can still classify them as a race of gods who are leaders because of their powers.
Also acting as normal citizens?They both were rude to say the least.How does a normal citizen act according to you?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:17:47
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:09:25
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:03:35
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:53:19
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:44:05
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)

Yet they are widely know as Alicorn.We have seen only two griffins in two seasons but you consider them as a race do you not?
only due to:

not being limited to royalty
not being completely overpowered and godlike
not being essentially worshiped by the local populace
acting as normal, everyday citizens.

creatures like Alicorns I consider less of a "race", or at least Mortal race, and more of "gods/demigods".  Celestia is the Mother Goddess, Embodiment of the Sun, and Luna is the Embodiment of the Moon.  Cadance was originally not supposed to be an alicorn, but since Hasbro ignored Faust I'll just call Her the Embodiment of Love.

So they are some mutated unicorns and not clasify as a race?
You can still classify them as a race of gods who are leaders because of their powers.
Also acting as normal citizens?They both were rude to say the least.How does a normal citizen act according to you?

normal citizens:

not godlike

tadaa.  thieves, wizards, bards, bakers, all "normal citizens" that can't lift the sun and moon with a wave of a horn or live for thousands and thousands of years without aging.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:19:30
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:17:47
Spoiler: show
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:09:25
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:03:35
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:53:19
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:44:05
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:52
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 17:42:12
Quote from: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 21, 17:40:05
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 16:07:33
implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)

Yet they are widely know as Alicorn.We have seen only two griffins in two seasons but you consider them as a race do you not?
only due to:

not being limited to royalty
not being completely overpowered and godlike
not being essentially worshiped by the local populace
acting as normal, everyday citizens.

creatures like Alicorns I consider less of a "race", or at least Mortal race, and more of "gods/demigods".  Celestia is the Mother Goddess, Embodiment of the Sun, and Luna is the Embodiment of the Moon.  Cadance was originally not supposed to be an alicorn, but since Hasbro ignored Faust I'll just call Her the Embodiment of Love.

So they are some mutated unicorns and not clasify as a race?
You can still classify them as a race of gods who are leaders because of their powers.
Also acting as normal citizens?They both were rude to say the least.How does a normal citizen act according to you?

normal citizens:

not godlike

tadaa.  thieves, wizards, bards, bakers, all "normal citizens" that can't lift the sun and moon with a wave of a horn or live for thousands and thousands of years without aging.


You just pointed out characteristics that define what is godlike and what is mortal.You do not said how a normal citizen acts.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:24:48
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:19:30
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:17:47
Spoiler: show
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implication: the princesses technically aren't needed if the unicorns could just get along. (hearth's warming)
It takes a large group of unicorns with a really high magic skill to do it its also very tiring thats why they left it to princess celestia.

Also princess cadence is needed she raises the twilight.

She literally raised Twilight as a foal.
lol

implication: Alicorn might be a race... :/


They are a race.
you sure about that? the show keeps calling them "unicorns" for some reason.  And there's only been 3 so far (minus the one in twilight's daydream)

Yet they are widely know as Alicorn.We have seen only two griffins in two seasons but you consider them as a race do you not?
only due to:

not being limited to royalty
not being completely overpowered and godlike
not being essentially worshiped by the local populace
acting as normal, everyday citizens.

creatures like Alicorns I consider less of a "race", or at least Mortal race, and more of "gods/demigods".  Celestia is the Mother Goddess, Embodiment of the Sun, and Luna is the Embodiment of the Moon.  Cadance was originally not supposed to be an alicorn, but since Hasbro ignored Faust I'll just call Her the Embodiment of Love.

So they are some mutated unicorns and not clasify as a race?
You can still classify them as a race of gods who are leaders because of their powers.
Also acting as normal citizens?They both were rude to say the least.How does a normal citizen act according to you?

normal citizens:

not godlike

tadaa.  thieves, wizards, bards, bakers, all "normal citizens" that can't lift the sun and moon with a wave of a horn or live for thousands and thousands of years without aging.


You just pointed out characteristics that define what is godlike and what is mortal.You do not said how a normal citizen acts.

mortal <-> normal citizen
as far as has been shown, according to my personal definition.  well, aside from Twilight, who really pushes the boundary between demigod and normal.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:29:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:24:48
You just pointed out characteristics that define what is godlike and what is mortal.You do not said how a normal citizen acts.

mortal <-> normal citizen
[/quote]

That maybe so but one thing is to say what is a normal citizen and whole different thing is to say how the certain mortal/normal citizen acts.

Also if we exclude the option that Alicorns aren't a race we must assign them to the existing races.What will they be?Some sort of pegasus/unicorn hybrids i suppose.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:32:47
Quote from: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:29:32
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:24:48
You just pointed out characteristics that define what is godlike and what is mortal.You do not said how a normal citizen acts.

mortal <-> normal citizen


That maybe so but one thing is to say what is a normal citizen and whole different thing is to say how the certain mortal/normal citizen acts.

Also if we exclude the option that Alicorns aren't a race we must assign them to the existing races.What will they be?Some sort of pegasus/unicorn hybrids i suppose.
[/quote]the seemingly official word is something like "winged unicorn".

"two unicorn princesses" - S1E1
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Night Pony on 2012 Jun 21, 18:38:09
QuoteDespite being called "unicorns" on the show and "Pegasus unicorns" online by Hasbro, storyboard artist Sabrina Alberghetti calls the princesses alicorns. The use of terms directly from the show supersedes other conventions.


Anyway we're way off-topic as it is so let's end this discussion.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 18:48:05
implication: there must not be any orally transmitted diseases anywhere in Equestria...
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 21, 19:37:54
If Celestia didn't intervene at the end of lesson zero, the entire population would've been charmed into wanting Smarty Pants and Equestria would  had destroy itself.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 21, 20:12:27
implication: the Love Poison, the Want It Need It spell, both bear a striking resemblance to...

Cadance's magic.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 22, 04:34:29
By this logic Celestia and Luna are chosen unicorns transfered by very powerful magic (probably many united unicorns performed this spell) to winged princesses or they were summoned by unicorns to rule them.

Take a look at a flag in Hearth's Warming Eve - There are two sisters which means they did one of these things(or they arrived from nowhere)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Blues-Music on 2012 Jun 22, 05:39:42
Quote from: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 22, 04:34:29
By this logic Celestia and Luna are chosen unicorns transfered by very powerful magic (probably many united unicorns performed this spell) to winged princesses or they were summoned by unicorns to rule them.

Take a look at a flag in Hearth's Warming Eve - There are two sisters which means they did one of these things(or they arrived from nowhere)

If a group of unicorns could create luna ,and celestia it makes their magic powerful enough to lift the sun ,and moon using only one unicorn so it can't be.

My theory is that alicorn is just a rare race that doesn't have to be immortal they aren't necessarily royalty or important like cadence was a foal-sitter alicorns are just a very very rare race that has the powers of all 3 other races.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Book Smarts on 2012 Jun 22, 09:21:50
Celestia and Luna were probably around during the time of the harsh winter, they just didn't take on a more direct role until they noticed a way to unify all three pony races into a well organized and peaceful nation.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 22, 11:54:21
So how dy'all know draconequus isn't just another race? :]
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 22, 15:13:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 22, 11:54:21
So how dy'all know draconequus isn't just another race? :]


He isn't a regular creature.
Quote from: Princess CelestiaDiscord is the mischievious spirit of disharmony. Before my sister and I stood up to him, he ruled Equestria in an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness. Luna and I saw how miserable life was for Earth ponies, Pegasi, and unicorns alike, so after discovering the Elements of Harmony, we combined our powers and rose up against him, turning him to stone.

He just came after all races became united. They had two sisters on their flag which means they knew Celestia and Luna before(acording to legend there were no ponies in Equestria before Hearth's Warming Eve). This can only mean Celestia and Luna risen from sun and moon or they were summoned by united races to protect them.

Alicorns could also appear before as windigoes to unite pony races as Book Smarts wrote, one got hit by character performed by Twilight Sparkle(in frozen cave), it could explain what happend to Chrysalis (also Cadence is younger than Celestia so she probably wasn't one of grouped windigoes)
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 22, 16:15:15
Quote from: Zbizo on 2012 Jun 22, 15:13:18
Quote from: The Wandering Magus on 2012 Jun 22, 11:54:21
So how dy'all know draconequus isn't just another race? :]


He isn't a regular creature.
Quote from: Princess CelestiaDiscord is the mischievious spirit of disharmony. Before my sister and I stood up to him, he ruled Equestria in an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness. Luna and I saw how miserable life was for Earth ponies, Pegasi, and unicorns alike, so after discovering the Elements of Harmony, we combined our powers and rose up against him, turning him to stone.

He just came after all races became united. They had two sisters on their flag which means they knew Celestia and Luna before(acording to legend there were no ponies in Equestria before Hearth's Warming Eve). This can only mean Celestia and Luna risen from sun and moon or they were summoned by united races to protect them.

Alicorns could also appear before as windigoes to unite pony races as Book Smarts wrote, one got hit by character performed by Twilight Sparkle(in frozen cave), it could explain what happend to Chrysalis (also Cadence is younger than Celestia so she probably wasn't one of grouped windigoes)

Therefore, alicorns are not a race, qed
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Snow Crystals on 2014 Dec 09, 19:40:07
They did point it out but it keeps adding another layer to the whole series.

Star swirl the bearded and although they keep uncovering his history little by little Then the big one turns out he be in the equestria girls rainbow rocks putting the 3 music dragons into another dimension.  Hopefully in season 5 we uncover the mystery of this great elder star swirl the bearded.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Chishio Kunrin on 2014 Dec 10, 00:20:10
Quote from: Snow Crystals on 2014 Dec 09, 19:40:07
They did point it out but it keeps adding another layer to the whole series.

Star swirl the bearded and although they keep uncovering his history little by little Then the big one turns out he be in the equestria girls rainbow rocks putting the 3 music dragons into another dimension.  Hopefully in season 5 we uncover the mystery of this great elder star swirl the bearded.

They were sirens, not quite dragons. ^-^ Twilight called them sirens, when she was telling her friends about them and how Starswirl banished them.
Sirens are often depicted looking very similar to mermaids. They are women who live in the ocean and sing to put sailors under their spell. They often cause sailors to crash their ships.

I think this is why The Dazzlings' pony forms were like evil seaponies.
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/d/dd/Dazzling_sirens_flying_EG2.png/revision/latest?cb=20141029082310)
You can see here that they have fish tails, or mermaid tails if you like.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Snow Crystals on 2014 Dec 10, 07:45:11
So do you think we are going to see more of sirens on season 5 or was it just the 3?
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Vick McBread on 2015 Mar 18, 01:08:45
HYPE
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Jinxie Umbra on 2015 Mar 18, 06:18:15
I get the impression that the Sirens are unique, 3-of-a-kind monsters. Although they do bear some resemblance to sea ponies. Maybe they were sea ponies once, but found the gems which mutated and fused with their bodies? ovO

And I also notice the comment Discord makes about turning ponies to stone. He's a jerk, sure, but I get the impression he never killed or seriously harmed anypony. Which feeds into that whole "Tyrant Celestia" narrative. But then, that's just another reason those two are perfect for each other; Discord can learn manners from Cellie, and she can learn restraint from him. lol

Disclaimer: I'm not into "shipping" except in the case where show staff do it, which makes it hilarious. Celesticord FTW!

PS: I was too lazy to read the entire thread. Apologies if any of this has been said before. X3
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Vick McBread on 2015 Mar 20, 04:48:40
Oh gosh.
Title: Re: Underlying Implications
Post by: Nocturna on 2015 Mar 20, 18:37:51
*Realized someone else stated the same thing, and that I'm a moron*